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26th August 2013, 14:33 | #121 |
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Back in the early 2000s my sole criterion for being the All Blacks centre was "can you tackle Stirling Mortlock?" That was it. Because if you couldn't there was no point being there.
The criterion for being the Labour leader in 2013 must be "can you tackle John Key?" That's it. Because if you can't there's no point being there. Robertson can't tackle John Key. Fat, bespectacled, gay, childless, a political insider who went straight from student union politics to the usual Labour checklist of the United Nations, Helen Clark’s staff, and the Labour front bench, and who has never had a private-sector job or run a business in his life. He’s going up against the guy who grew up in a state house with an immigrant solo mother and who is now a self-made multimillionaire family man with houses in Parnell and Maui and who drinks Steinlager from the Bledisloe Cup in the All Blacks changing room. Next to that story the fat gay student politician from Helen Clark’s office looks about as appealing as cancer. But on Planet Labour he's an awesome candidate because he can appeal to both the rainbow faction (he's gay!) and the union faction (he's a former student unionist!). And most importantly, he's not David "Silent T" Cunliffe! Because if there's one person the Labour MPs fucking hate with a passion, it's David Cunliffe. |
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but NZ is ready for a gay PM, fuck the need for competence, we need equal outcomes!
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and fortunate for labour that is....
he's the only one of their peeps who sees that labour needs to regain some 'workers party' credentials,not just present a slightly emasculated take on the same neo-liberal crap being pushed as the center. cant imagine giving them a vote till serious changes have been made,but this is at least a chance to wave byebye to the 80's.
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26th August 2013, 17:35 | #125 |
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Cunliffe seems to be the favourite among the broader Labour membership, but he also seems to be hated with a passion by the Labour caucus.
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I don't think anyone can lead the Labour party as it currently stands to a win over the National party*. If Cunliffe is going to win the next election he needs to beat the party into a shape where, as a traditional Labour supporter, I feel like they actually have a vision for the country, and the where-withal to carry it through without self-destructing at each other. I say this as a life-long Labour/Greens supporter. If an election was held tomorrow, I would probably just not bother voting. *by contrast it's always felt like this National party is a cohesive unit. You actually feel like Key has the backing, and the backs, of his ministers.
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With some of the BS the Nats have pulled there's a large chance that Labour could win, but not because of Labour, but because they're NOT National.
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His relationship with the Greens is one where he treats them as subordinates, which is great as far as his ability to win an election is concerned. I was totally correct in how I thought Shearer would pan out, he was inexperienced politically and only got in to maintain Labour's status quo, Cunliffe is the anti-establishment figure (why he lost to Shearer). Linking him to the Clark era is completely bullshit. He's his own man, he's savvy and both his public and private sector experience may not make an impressive sound bite, but the ability he must have to have obtained it is and will come through especially well when discussing the big issue of the moment, the economy. |
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Also I agree with this re: hated by caucus - The challenge for him would be to overcome the things that make him a magnet for mockery in sections of his own caucus as well as opponents. A surge in the polls under his leadership would do it."
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26th August 2013, 21:25 | #136 |
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And not a very original one.
OH NOES WHICH ONE DO I CHOOSE |
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I hadn't realised that the Greens were still making ground (14% in one of those polls lol). I'm not buying it that any of the things that National have done recently have really hurt them. The GCSB doesn't seem to have hurt them significantly, and if that doesn't I think John's probably fine up to and perhaps including punching a baby. Baby was probably on welfare anyway. -edit- Also! Remember that no one votes on what a party does in years 1 and 2 - it's only what they do in the 6 months before the election that will really hurt them. So they just need to pull an All Blacks-not-handing-France-any-penalties and guard the line for that last stint and Labour can't win.
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A. Getting more people to vote. Low voter turnout favours the right and the so-called "landslide" that National got last time had more to do with a lack of options on the left. Cunliffe actually has what it takes to do this. B. Cashing in on the fact that the electorate's perception of Key is changing. The biggest issue for Cunliffe is his own Ego. His American style speeches are a total turn-off for a NZ market. |
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27th August 2013, 08:28 | #143 |
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The country doesn't trust what Key says, but they still trust him to run the country:
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27th August 2013, 08:42 | #144 |
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kiwiblog is pretty hilarious over this.
i dont want to sound like a labour fan...but the right sound scared- farrar is digging and being snide about cunliffes residential addy,whereas shonkey and blinglish...well, they're good men.its not important where they live in relation to their electorate. his education and work experience make him unskilled,where a currency trader and a farmers son with a commerce degree are perfectly placed.... the list goes on. hey, you guys keep up the homophobia.it probably wont matter in the end.
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27th August 2013, 09:27 | #145 |
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^ So yet another smug rich prick is trying to take over the role of leader of the LP from another forgetful rich prick ?
It used to be that the LP was the party of choice for the common NZ'r, they seem to be quite disconnected now.
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chubby you're a bit of a loller, reading right wing blogs and getting all high and mighty when they meet your expectations of being.. well, right wing.
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27th August 2013, 11:33 | #147 |
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To be fair you can't expect a green voting labour apologist to worry about a possible blatant lie on the day and event that a truely left leaning (lol) MP announces his run for the leadership of the Labour party. It's all about Key.
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27th August 2013, 11:38 | #148 |
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no.its all about your economic model.
and your insistance that your 'center', against all evidence otherwise,inhabits some sort of high ground.
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27th August 2013, 15:13 | #150 |
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the downtrodden are usually too busy to fight for themselves.
its a hollow criticism that,yet again,ignores basic reality about who gets ahead.
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It's a fucking embarrassment that in 2013 his sexuality is even an issue. Way to suck, idiots.
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29th August 2013, 00:50 | #159 |
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Nasty people, evil party; at least it's all out in the open for people to see what they're sign-up for.
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29th August 2013, 01:23 | #160 |
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I don't know that Labour are evil, but certainly nasty. And inept. The Greens on the other hand are definitely evil.
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