Random Politics - Page 32

fixed_truth · 23rd May 2012, 20:39

The questions around whether Banks should be stood down (ie, did he deliberately mislead election officials? did he actually breech political finance laws?, does it matter if technically he didn't & can Key act based on his conduct before he became an MP?? etc etc) is an argument for us politics geeks.

Imo the average joe voter sees two dodgy MPs ( Banks & Jones) and only one leader taking "action".

CCS · 23rd May 2012, 21:11

Whereas some average joe voters will see that Jones has been stood down and will say "he must be guilty then!" and will see John Key saying "Banks has given me assurances" and will think it must be alright.

Darren Hughes never came back. Banks has until next election to try to convince the voters of Epsom that he's not a slimy cunt.

xor · 25th May 2012, 08:42

wow, David Shearer is a pathetic speaker.

Ab · 25th May 2012, 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Jesus christ, someone sub Shearer off, he's getting slaughtered.

AGAIN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px41N...layer_embedded

CCS · 28th May 2012, 14:24

Ab · 28th May 2012, 14:41

Trevor Mallard is just another thing contending for the title of "Best thing to ever happen to the National Party"

cyc · 28th May 2012, 17:28

Mallard has been talking about making moves to avoid service and/or making himself difficult to serve. That's wrong. On the other hand, process servers are supposed to be straight up about what they are doing -- using deception to serve isn't right either.

If they have exhausted reasonable attempts/methods at serving Mallard, then they should apply for substituted service via a court application. Neither side strikes me as blameless here.

Ab · 28th May 2012, 17:44

I just don't understand how Mallard and Little thought this could possibly work out well for them. They just look like chickenshits.

chubby · 29th May 2012, 14:44

aR Que · 29th May 2012, 14:58

two half days = 8hours? so... she makes 78 an hour O_o.

CCS · 29th May 2012, 15:36

Damn rich people! How dare they have money!

Quote:

Originally Posted by aR Que

two half days = 8hours? so... she makes 78 an hour O_o.

Good work if you can get it. Or... perhaps the rest of it is made up for by various benefits? Waaaah, I pull in the bulk of my income from the benefit but I want more!

How about... don't be a solo parent?

crocos · 29th May 2012, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCS

Damn rich people! How dare they have money!

Not actually the point for that; Was more a reflection of relative incomes, and is correct, but to lay the blame entirely at the feet of the Nats is disengenious at best as a lot of the fallout from that hit following on from Labour's policies, and most of it is because NZ is small-fry on the international economy and how much borrowing the average kiwi has on-behalf-of, by the government and directly.

Pretty typical Chubby post though.

CCS · 29th May 2012, 17:17

But it's as much an attack on the wealthy. If it weren't, they wouldn't have all this shit about "backing rich families! RAH RICH PEOPLE!" They could make the same point without the NATIONAL ARE BACKING RICH PEOPLE, AND WHO DO WE HATE? RICH PEOPLE! narrative. But hey, what's a political party without horseshit dogma?

Painty · 29th May 2012, 17:21

So these people are better off because they get a reduction in paying tax from money they have earned versus money they are given.

Can we please have a graphic showing how much tax each bracket is paying AND how much in benefits they are getting?

crocos · 29th May 2012, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCS

But it's as much an attack on the wealthy. If it weren't, they wouldn't have all this shit about "backing rich families! RAH RICH PEOPLE!" They could make the same point without the NATIONAL ARE BACKING RICH PEOPLE, AND WHO DO WE HATE? RICH PEOPLE! narrative. But hey, what's a political party without horseshit dogma?

... No argument?

CCS · 29th May 2012, 18:39

you better not be rich, crocos.

fixed_truth · 29th May 2012, 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCS

How about... don't be a solo parent?

Serious?

Lots of relationships don't work out. Many of them will have children. Actually I'm not really sure what you are suggesting?

CCS · 29th May 2012, 18:56

How 'bout... be a gold digger and get a husband that can support you and the kid? Hells yeah. Stay together for the kids? Hells yeah. Or how about... don't have kids if you've been married for 2 minutes and don't really have a stable relationship? Hells motherfucking yeah.

chubby · 29th May 2012, 19:45

i love that all the chuckleheads see is "raaagh bennies"- and not the two thirds of the population (probably including them in some way) that are losing ground to service the greed of the wealthy.

fixed_truth · 30th May 2012, 10:38

Good to hear Shearer say Labour will reverse Nationals backwards education reform around decreasing teacher numbers.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-attack...2/Default.aspx (video)

cyc · 30th May 2012, 11:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Good to hear Shearer say Labour will reverse Nationals backwards education reform around decreasing teacher numbers.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-attack...2/Default.aspx (video)

You're evidently a sucker for the union propaganda that increased class size = inevitable bad outcomes?

xor · 30th May 2012, 12:22

You think a larger class size can have a positive impact for students?

Ab · 30th May 2012, 12:25

If I had a choice of bigger class with a better teacher, or smaller class with a worse teacher, I'd take the former every time.

pxpx · 30th May 2012, 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Good to hear Shearer say Labour will reverse Nationals backwards education reform around decreasing teacher numbers.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-attack...2/Default.aspx (video)

Shearer (like his predecessors) has realised he can say whateverthefuck he wants, because he knows he's not going to be in government any time soon.

xor · 30th May 2012, 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

If I had a choice of bigger class with a better teacher, or smaller class with a worse teacher, I'd take the former every time.

As would most, mind you it doesn't apply to most cabinet ministers as they know better than to send their children to a public school.

fixed_truth · 30th May 2012, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyc

You're evidently a sucker for the union propaganda that increased class size = inevitable bad outcomes?

I know that (& as Ab points out) depending on how well other factors are implemented (remember we're talking about a Govt. that thinks less specialists/post-grad study is a good idea) then it wont necessarily mean worse outcomes.

But, imo the whole scarcity based it's either or argument is only relevant because of Nationals financial management (including Billion dollar tax cuts, no CGT, no superannuation reform etc).

I don't want smaller classes AND I want better teachers.

fixed_truth · 30th May 2012, 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxpx

Shearer (like his predecessors) has realised he can say whateverthefuck he wants, because he knows he's not going to be in government any time soon.

I haven't heard any (left or right) political commentators discounting a left coalition next election.

fixed_truth · 30th May 2012, 13:09

missed edit time

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I don't want bigger classes AND I want better teachers.

aR Que · 30th May 2012, 13:25

Ahh yes, the no-compromises-unlimited-sack-of-money wants, or is that needs?

xor · 30th May 2012, 13:53

Enough to bail out failed finance bizinzes to the tune of a few hundred gazillion

Should be enough to help Sione learn to algebrac

crocos · 30th May 2012, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by aR Que

Ahh yes, the no-compromises-unlimited-sack-of-money wants, or is that needs?

If we want a better country in the future? They're needs, IMO.

pxpx · 30th May 2012, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I haven't heard any (left or right) political commentators discounting a left coalition next election.

So you're admitting you only regurgitate the opinion of commentators rather than forming your own?

aR Que · 30th May 2012, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocos

If we want a better country in the future? They're needs, IMO.

Hundreds of boxes, but only a handful of ticks.

chubby · 30th May 2012, 18:42

... a whole bunch of big,stupid ticks-like massive roading projects and revenue giveaways to foreigners with no upside.

not ticks.
prioritys.

crocos · 31st May 2012, 00:48

Russell Norman mopping the floor with John Key:
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=7YJ3ibo16bw

And I agree with JSR: This should be an Onion article - Robert Mugabe to act as the UN's tourism envoy. WTF.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/m...d&type=article

Ab · 31st May 2012, 01:10

Norman certainly seems to be the de facto Leader of the Opposition at the moment.

sidbo · 31st May 2012, 12:51

Anything that keeps policies in place that leads to the (lovely) protest on the Wellington trains the other morning, get's my vote.

StN · 31st May 2012, 12:57

^^ indeed.

Ab · 31st May 2012, 19:42

SlutCommute!

ilk · 1st June 2012, 11:19

I heard a good way of thinking about class sizes: how many direct reports would you be comfortable performance managing?

23rd May 2012, 21:11	#1242
CCS Stunt Pants	Whereas some average joe voters will see that Jones has been stood down and will say "he must be guilty then!" and will see John Key saying "Banks has given me assurances" and will think it must be alright. Darren Hughes never came back. Banks has until next election to try to convince the voters of Epsom that he's not a slimy cunt. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

28th May 2012, 14:24	#1245
CCS Stunt Pants	lolling __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

29th May 2012, 17:17	#1253
CCS Stunt Pants	But it's as much an attack on the wealthy. If it weren't, they wouldn't have all this shit about "backing rich families! RAH RICH PEOPLE!" They could make the same point without the NATIONAL ARE BACKING RICH PEOPLE, AND WHO DO WE HATE? RICH PEOPLE! narrative. But hey, what's a political party without horseshit dogma? __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

29th May 2012, 18:39	#1256
CCS Stunt Pants	you better not be rich, crocos. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

29th May 2012, 18:56	#1258
CCS Stunt Pants	How 'bout... be a gold digger and get a husband that can support you and the kid? Hells yeah. Stay together for the kids? Hells yeah. Or how about... don't have kids if you've been married for 2 minutes and don't really have a stable relationship? Hells motherfucking yeah. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

23rd May 2012, 20:39	#1241
fixed_truth	The questions around whether Banks should be stood down (ie, did he deliberately mislead election officials? did he actually breech political finance laws?, does it matter if technically he didn't & can Key act based on his conduct before he became an MP?? etc etc) is an argument for us politics geeks. Imo the average joe voter sees two dodgy MPs ( Banks & Jones) and only one leader taking "action". __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

25th May 2012, 08:42	#1243
xor	wow, David Shearer is a pathetic speaker.

28th May 2012, 14:41	#1246
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Trevor Mallard is just another thing contending for the title of "Best thing to ever happen to the National Party"

28th May 2012, 17:28	#1247
cyc Objection!	Mallard has been talking about making moves to avoid service and/or making himself difficult to serve. That's wrong. On the other hand, process servers are supposed to be straight up about what they are doing -- using deception to serve isn't right either. If they have exhausted reasonable attempts/methods at serving Mallard, then they should apply for substituted service via a court application. Neither side strikes me as blameless here.

28th May 2012, 17:44	#1248
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	I just don't understand how Mallard and Little thought this could possibly work out well for them. They just look like chickenshits.

29th May 2012, 14:44	#1249
chubby	__________________ "Take four red capsules, in ten minutes-take two more. Help is on the way."

29th May 2012, 14:58	#1250
aR Que	two half days = 8hours? so... she makes 78 an hour O_o.

29th May 2012, 17:21	#1254
Painty	So these people are better off because they get a reduction in paying tax from money they have earned versus money they are given. Can we please have a graphic showing how much tax each bracket is paying AND how much in benefits they are getting? __________________ Don't mind me, I'm sleep deprived

29th May 2012, 19:45	#1259
chubby	i love that all the chuckleheads see is "raaagh bennies"- and not the two thirds of the population (probably including them in some way) that are losing ground to service the greed of the wealthy. __________________ "Take four red capsules, in ten minutes-take two more. Help is on the way."

30th May 2012, 10:38	#1260
fixed_truth	Good to hear Shearer say Labour will reverse Nationals backwards education reform around decreasing teacher numbers. http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-attack...2/Default.aspx (video) __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

30th May 2012, 12:22	#1262
xor	You think a larger class size can have a positive impact for students?

30th May 2012, 12:25	#1263
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	If I had a choice of bigger class with a better teacher, or smaller class with a worse teacher, I'd take the former every time.

30th May 2012, 13:25	#1269
aR Que	Ahh yes, the no-compromises-unlimited-sack-of-money wants, or is that needs?

30th May 2012, 13:53	#1270
xor	Enough to bail out failed finance bizinzes to the tune of a few hundred gazillion Should be enough to help Sione learn to algebrac

30th May 2012, 18:42	#1274
chubby	... a whole bunch of big,stupid ticks-like massive roading projects and revenue giveaways to foreigners with no upside. not ticks. prioritys. __________________ "Take four red capsules, in ten minutes-take two more. Help is on the way."

31st May 2012, 00:48	#1275
crocos	Russell Norman mopping the floor with John Key: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=7YJ3ibo16bw And I agree with JSR: This should be an Onion article - Robert Mugabe to act as the UN's tourism envoy. WTF. http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/m...d&type=article __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية Last edited by crocos : 31st May 2012 at 00:52.

31st May 2012, 01:10	#1276
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Norman certainly seems to be the de facto Leader of the Opposition at the moment.

31st May 2012, 12:51	#1277
sidbo Raptus regaliter	Anything that keeps policies in place that leads to the (lovely) protest on the Wellington trains the other morning, get's my vote.

31st May 2012, 12:57	#1278
StN I have detailed files	^^ indeed.

31st May 2012, 19:42	#1279
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	SlutCommute!

1st June 2012, 11:19	#1280
ilk	I heard a good way of thinking about class sizes: how many direct reports would you be comfortable performance managing? __________________ "I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe!"