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18th August 2020, 09:54 | #1082 |
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Donald Trump says he doesn't want the US to have a "big surge" in Covid cases like in New Zealand.
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18th August 2020, 12:35 | #1085 |
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So if it didn't work over a hundred years ago then shouldn't even attempt it now? Why not look at points where it failed and work on solutions to fix it, contact tracing app etc.
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18th August 2020, 12:58 | #1086 | |
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18th August 2020, 13:09 | #1087 | |
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18th August 2020, 13:16 | #1088 | |
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Capitalism can't go six weeks of inactivity without nations going bankrupt. If the nation's businesses go into unrecoverable levels of debt, and the nation's workforce are made jobless, go into mountains of debt themselves, and the government can't print money fast enough to subsidize everyone owing everyone else, then what?
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18th August 2020, 13:33 | #1089 | |
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18th August 2020, 15:24 | #1090 |
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COVID DISINFORMATION CRISIS: Facebook users are sharing Facebook conspiracies on Facebook with people in their Facebook groups and using Facebook messenger to invite their Facebook contacts to conspiracy-theory Facebook events promoted on Facebook pages, the problem must be colonialism |
18th August 2020, 17:19 | #1091 | |
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What will NZ do if there are more clusters in a month or two's time? Lock down again? Then what? carry on until the next cluster? One thing i have learned within my industry is that cancer diagnosis is down 40% and radiology nurses in private clinics are losing their jobs because business is down. A lot of people simply aren't going to the doctor anymore. For me personally, i'm pretty anxious as our whanau moved over to QLD 13 months ago and we don't have any support if things go pear shaped and one of us get sick. |
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What's been achievable in New Zealand is so because of a variety of factors, demonstrating we've built some genuine resiliency in our society. We have a general trust in authorities, institutions and each other. We don't have to work today to ensure we eat tonight. Our businesses have a high rate of adoption of digital tech. We have low levels of public debt
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18th August 2020, 19:47 | #1094 | |
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I'm optimistic because we had 100 days with no community transmission after a period of unchecked infection. I have lived experience of things going well.
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19th August 2020, 00:41 | #1095 |
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Interesting. My brother who’s in Aussie sounds very much like xor.
I’m cautiously optimistic but also very sheltered from the negatives - I’m not involved with or directly connected to anything to do with aviation for example. My workload has been crazy since April. Off to the bank soon for a top up in the mortgage to hopefully build a garage/workshop with rentable self contained room.
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19th August 2020, 08:48 | #1096 |
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Nich and co, care to give your thoughts? There is currently less deaths in NZ for all cases compared to previous years, and taking population growth into account its even smaller? |
19th August 2020, 11:46 | #1097 |
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Putting on my Factfulness hat, a decrease in "all causes" mortality is usually evidence that there are fewer people living in real poverty and losing children to easily-preventable deaths. When death rates drop it's because poverty is being eliminated.
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19th August 2020, 11:50 | #1098 | |
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19th August 2020, 12:03 | #1099 |
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I'm not a fan of David Seymour. I don't agree with ACT's policies.
But this speech David Seymour delivered is incredibly well put and succinct, delivering criticism and pointing out what could have been done better.
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19th August 2020, 13:55 | #1101 |
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I should have read the article properly, the timeframe isn't big enough for a poverty/child mortality angle.
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19th August 2020, 14:44 | #1102 |
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Looking at cause of death will be very interesting indeed, but currently its disagreeing with another argument that lock down will cause more deaths than the virus itself.
Or is someone going to tell me its the wrong sort of deaths that have dropped. That all these hard working SME owners that are going off killing themselves where the people that aren't dying are the elderly. |
19th August 2020, 15:09 | #1103 |
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Seemed like a frosty press conference today - only heard a bit, but Helen must be advising Cindy after the escalation of perceived cock-ups.
H2 has entered the chat. Also, even Dr Ash is getting frustrated, coining his own collective phrases. |
19th August 2020, 15:41 | #1104 | |
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Given how NZ COVID border taskforce has been conducted, I wonder if this "Don't test, don't tell" is part of the larger NZ COVID-19 story. In which case, this is even better news! NZ can be in the middle of a pandemic with community spread, but you wouldn't even know it if you weren't looking for cases. Total deaths, and excess deaths is the sort of information I'd like to see in Australia too. I'll take a guess and say it's probably lower than 2019 too. Not being able to leave the house, or losing the desire to leave the house can do wonders for your longevity. |
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19th August 2020, 16:04 | #1105 |
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You're in Melbourne eh, Nich? How you holding up?
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19th August 2020, 17:09 | #1106 |
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Scott Morrison reckons eventual COVID vaccine should be mandatory in Australia.
During a round of morning media, Mr Morrison repeatedly said he expected pushback from anti-vaccination campaigners. But he repeatedly said he was the minister who introduced a "no jab, no play" rule, and his stance on vaccinations was clear and would not change. |
19th August 2020, 17:12 | #1107 |
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I'm not eager for some rushed out "let's get people back to work" jab.
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19th August 2020, 17:22 | #1108 |
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I understand the Aus government is looking at the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine which is in phase III clinical trials (i.e. seems promising and further along than the various others in development). But yeah, definitely not keen on a hasty and compulsory rollout.
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19th August 2020, 18:03 | #1109 |
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What's going to work against NZ is high private debt. People are going to be financially responsible and continue to pay off their mortgages and credit cards. When really what we need is people to lay off putting money into savings or even drawing on those savings to stimulate business demand.
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19th August 2020, 18:50 | #1110 |
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Ironically, sensible people will take any government assistance and pay down debt - which is bad; while silly people will take that money and return it to circulation - which is good.
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19th August 2020, 18:50 | #1111 |
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That's the whole point of lowering interest rates and giving away free money.
Its intuitive that a lock down will lead to a short term decrease in death but also intuitive that in the medium and long term that it will lead to a increase. The longer the lockdown the more extreme the differences. |
19th August 2020, 18:55 | #1112 |
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I'm wondering how many people are borrowing at these record low interest rates and plowing into the stock market. It will all come out in the wash, probably red.
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19th August 2020, 19:29 | #1116 |
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Heather Simpson returns to spearhead border response in light of repeated testing failures You sending H2? You feel better motherfucker? Sheeit negro! That's all you had to say! |
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Heather Simpson to spearhead border response Helen Clark’s former chief of staff Heather Simpson has come in as Jacinda's Fixer, which Ab was comparing to Pulp Fiction's Winston Wolfe, played by Harvey Keitel, who's work can be seen here. It's the kind of person you want in a crisis.
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20th August 2020, 14:52 | #1120 |
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Don't get me wrong, H2 isn't one of the good guys any more than Mr Wolfe was. Her fingerprints are all over the Foreshore and Seabed Act that Labour imposed upon Maori people in 2005 and neither she nor the party should ever be forgiven for it. She is also responsible for the "pledge card" tactic that diverted parliamentary funds to Labour's election budget.
She is, however, a grownup and competent - two things that seem to be lacking in the 2020 Labour Cabinet. Moreover her management style is historically "no strikes" and she's happy to invite poor performers for scenic walks in the desert with a shovel. |