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Mixed-Member Proportional (MMP) | 22 | 45.83% | |
Single Transferable Vote (STV) | 16 | 33.33% | |
Supplementary Member (SM) | 4 | 8.33% | |
Preferential Voting (PV) | 1 | 2.08% | |
First Past the Post (FPP) | 1 | 2.08% | |
I don't know what all this shit means | 4 | 8.33% | |
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll |
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31st October 2011, 13:05 | #41 | |
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31st October 2011, 15:36 | #42 |
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Pretty good article on this - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10762663
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31st October 2011, 20:57 | #43 |
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Democracy is about nothing beyond the type of method used to appoint people to represent the various communities making up a nation.
Democracy is not about everyone, or really anyone, particularly having a say about anything. To imagine otherwise is a child's fantasy. This is why it's necessary to choose who you vote for carefully. Since, politicians can and will do as they please once in the hot seat. |
22nd November 2011, 20:41 | #44 |
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22nd November 2011, 20:53 | #45 |
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I'd like to see larger electorates, divided by approx population size, so that each electorate was responsible for, say, 10 seats (12 electorates total), and you need to rank your top 8 or 10 candidates.
Then an STV like approach of winnowing out the bottom-ranked candidates until you've got just the 10 for your electorate. Seems around as proportional as MMP, while getting rid of the chaff that is the party-list. It seems most people would hate it though. Actually needing to think about your vote? *shock* *horror*
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23rd November 2011, 00:45 | #46 | |
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
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23rd November 2011, 07:27 | #47 |
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Okay, democracy as it exists in every country that has ever tried such a system.
A direct democracy is a theoretical construct that can not ever exist for a group of more than a handful of people. |
23rd November 2011, 07:39 | #48 | |
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23rd November 2011, 08:42 | #50 | |
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23rd November 2011, 08:47 | #51 | |
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23rd November 2011, 09:29 | #52 | |
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Seriously though does your every post have to seethe with arrogance? Does the word humility exist in that overarching vocabulary of yours? |
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23rd November 2011, 09:47 | #53 | |
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As such he is right, the system that Switzerland has does not achieve direct democracy - it enacts some degree of individual representation but is still a composite system. Pixie
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23rd November 2011, 11:13 | #54 |
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Hmm, reading up on direct democracy (DD) it seems it's not actually a good idea. Switzerland uses double majority to deal with the failings of DD. Pretty much as if in the US the congress was a DD, but the senate still existed (or if GB parliment was DD, but it kept the house of lords).
So yea, GT was right. DD is theoretical, and any culture that got close to implementing it had severe government issues due to DD's failings. |
23rd November 2011, 14:18 | #55 | |
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STV is the clear winner for me out of the contending options in the referendum, and it's the one for which I'll be voting. |
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23rd November 2011, 14:34 | #56 |
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I'm jumping on that bandwagon - STV vote for me.
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23rd November 2011, 14:43 | #57 |
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STV would be my second choice (because it's less proportional than MMP) behind addressing some of the flaws of MMP.
There's also the possibility that a vote to change from MMP might result in something even less desirable ie SM which 'vote for change' has lobbied for. (edit: or would there then be a referendum between MMP & SM in this scenario?)
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23rd November 2011, 16:36 | #58 |
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PV for me. Minnow parties need to be voted the fuck out of parliament. UF, ACT and NZF can all fuck off. Greens next time around.
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23rd November 2011, 17:49 | #61 | |
SLUTS!!!!!!!
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23rd November 2011, 20:30 | #62 | |
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23rd November 2011, 20:36 | #63 | |
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23rd November 2011, 22:04 | #64 | |
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23rd November 2011, 22:08 | #65 |
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I voted for STV the first time around. I will do the same this time around.
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24th November 2011, 18:17 | #66 |
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What's your voting-method-referendum vote? (Nov 2011 edition)
Boobs: still great
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24th November 2011, 20:23 | #67 | |
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24th November 2011, 23:40 | #68 |
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Why do you even need electorates? Its not like your local MP does much that is specific to the local community (except around election time). I'd just prefer to vote party only, and the % of votes they get determines the % of their party in parliament.
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25th November 2011, 07:53 | #69 | |
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25th November 2011, 09:28 | #70 |
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i agree with delphinus. I want a system that doesn't have the electorate vote. seems unfair for people that happen to live in electorates 'staffed' by useless candidates. my electorate doesn't even have all parties candidates in it.
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25th November 2011, 09:55 | #71 |
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Reckon pure proportianal, but with electorate offices dolled out after the vote is tallied..
e.g. Nat and Labour win 75%/25% of the popular vote, so Lab MPs get assigned to the 25% of the seats with the biggest labour margins, or the smallest Nat margins. Have more MPs than electorates, so that you don't get stuck with a party leader etc that's never there but not so many that you have useless list MPs with no responsibilities. The number could change dynamically after the election based on how many parties get in and how many "reserved list" spots you give each party. Have a recall vote system in place where you can dump your assigned MP if he's useless, and they gets replaced with another from the same party list |
25th November 2011, 10:19 | #72 |
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alternatively, i want the option to vote for an MP from any electorate, not just my own. Why should geographic location matter? eg. Garreth Hughes looked like he knew what he was talking about during the 'skynet' bill debates, but I'd never vote for the Greens...
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25th November 2011, 10:52 | #73 |
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25th November 2011, 11:00 | #74 |
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Center-right and right leaning voters who are still unsure, don't make the mistake of sticking with MMP. As the right wing blogger WO keeps saying, there's a reason the left and religious/delusionals want to keep MMP, it's because without a hugely popular leader like John Key, the right is more than likely fucked 2014+, without decent coalition partners.
Hell maybe even 2011 Vote for change and either STV/SM. |
25th November 2011, 11:57 | #75 |
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If you think Winston Peters is a positive influence on NZ politics, vote to keep MMP.
If you think the Key/Banks cup-of-tea soap opera is a normal and necessary part of deciding the direction of the country, vote to keep MMP. |
25th November 2011, 14:29 | #76 |
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25th November 2011, 18:05 | #77 | |
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I assume that the local MP is decided by the FPP method of counting, Ie winner takes all? If you're voting for one of the "smaller" guys, even though they might be fantastic, if they don't win the whole electorate it feels like a wasted vote, resulting in voting for the most popular MP who is opposite to the one I hate the most. |
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25th November 2011, 18:35 | #78 | |
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Final poll shows MMP holding its strong lead
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26th November 2011, 01:52 | #79 | |
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