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3rd June 2008, 18:07 | #41 |
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Blow me. I'll be supporting the Wallabies this season. That in itself should show you how much Graham Henry has devalued the black jersey.
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3rd June 2008, 18:20 | #42 |
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Lame.
"Devalued the black jersey". What the fuck does that even mean?
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3rd June 2008, 18:29 | #43 |
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As far as Carter goes: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4569578a1823.html
Superb result. He makes some quick cash, but re-signs to the NZRU until 2011.
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3rd June 2008, 18:40 | #44 |
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1. For want of a more appropriate English word, the mana of the All Blacks jersey - the knowledge that the fifteen guys running out there wearing the jersey were the fifteen best players New Zealand could produce. How many guys pulled on the black jersey last year? Thirty-something? How many of them were out there wearing black jerseys when they were CLEARLY NOT the best players?
2. The All Blacks "brand" makes me think of choking. Of being a bunch of overpaid prima donnas unable to deliver. Of sunbathing--oops, "conditioning"--in Marseilles while the Springboks played Currie Cup, Super 14, Tri Nations, and the World Cup one after the other. 3. The coaching staff and management of the All Blacks make me think of dodging responsibility (see "judge me on the World Cup"). Of petty rudeness (see "Collins wouldn't have made the All Blacks anyway"). Of brushing problems under the rug and doing dodgy deals behind closed doors (see "re-appointing the coaches BEFORE the review was conducted, and making Robbie Deans do his coaching presentation anyway). 4... oh fuck, I could go on on and on and on. Everything's already been posted to this forum somewhere anyway. |
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5. Bending rules for Carter and fucking over everyone else ever. Why the fuck is Carter able to MISS THE ENTIRE SUPER 14 and still be eligible for the AB's when the courtesy isn't extended to anyone else? Hayman, Jack, McAlister, Evans, Kelleher, Marshall, Collins, Holah, Howlett, Gear, etc etc etc? You think those guys would have signed the contracts they did if they had been told they had the option of a "sabbatical" while still being on the NZRFU payroll? |
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But to even imply they've somehow done that deliberately is to me quite odd. I just think the NZRU had to do it now that everyone else hasn't waited around to try and push their case (I wouldn't mind betting they have done or will do the same thing for McCaw). Had the players negotiated with the NZRU collectively before signing their hugely tempting contracts and looking after their own interests, then maybe they'd get to come back just as easily. Again - this is a complaint about the management rather than the players - ergo see my response to your 3.
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3rd June 2008, 19:39 | #48 |
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Princess will have me out on the front step watching the game through the window if I dare try and bring a Wallabies jersey into the house
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3rd June 2008, 19:41 | #49 |
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I blame their new analyst
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Can't bring myself to back the Aussies but if there isn't precision play heading towards a home RWC, I'm gonna lose interest real fast.
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3rd June 2008, 20:41 | #54 |
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geez i never realised things were that bad.
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When the English support their football team, they do so unreservedly, almost blindly. Sure, they know they might be shit. Sure, they might be aware of all kinds of BS politics about foreign managers, or who was or wasn't selected - maybe a lopsided inclusion of Chelsea/Man U players or bad game preparation or ridiculous salaries or whatever... But at the end of the day they just support their national team... and they do it with genuine passion and gusto.
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3rd June 2008, 22:59 | #56 |
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I agree with everything that Ab has said in the 5 points he's raised above.
And looking at the team that was picked & announced today - I think I'll be picking the opposite side, except for Ireland.
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4th June 2008, 01:26 | #60 |
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That post of mine contains an obvious typo, as it is a post expressing my support for Australia over England.
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If this doesn't happen then we'll only continue our trend of being top performers between world cups and entering the playoff stages of world cups with no specialist centre (no, Conrad Smith is a not even close to being a world class centre). In order for the media, and, in turn, the NZRU (thanks for the non f clarification btw), to drop Henry as coach we will need to lose the silverware this season or the next (by 2010 we will be too close to RWC time to consider reforming our coaching panel). Furthermore, if Aussie steal the silverware this year there is an outside chance that Robbie will take us back if we do offer him the AB's coaching job and pay him out of his Aussie contract. You can tell the ABs coaching job is what he ultimately wants. Yes, this viewpoint is idealistic, but you can always hope. Last edited by buckies : 4th June 2008 at 11:29. |
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4th June 2008, 15:10 | #64 |
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rugby == serious business!
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4th June 2008, 16:33 | #65 |
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GAAH! Si turned into a bleeding Aussie!
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5th June 2008, 13:03 | #66 |
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A relevant story from TV3: http://www.stuff.co.nz/videoplayer/127579a14835.html
Couldn't agree more with Mike Corcoran's comments.
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5th June 2008, 13:17 | #67 |
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Something in there about "Graham Henry, Steve Tew, and Jock Hobbs getting strung up" sounded quite sensible.
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5th June 2008, 13:42 | #68 |
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Scandalous. Heh.
Understandable, more like it. I mean we are talking about one of the greatest teams on earth not winning the pinnacle in rugby for 21 years and exporting a coach who can actually win the big games when it counts. You know, like finals. Obviously you can't compare the S14 to the RWC but it's hardly scandalous people see it in those terms. You expect more from the calibre of player and brand that is, the All Blacks. If it's tarnished as much as it had been lately, then it's understandable. Not scandalous. Again, northern hemisphere losing supporters trying to tell us our fine tradition of supporting a great team, should be on par with the countries "participation is more important than winning" philosophy. Bollocks. Win it, or lose the support. It's pretty simple. It's not like the All Blacks are ever going to lose the core supporters in NZ. It's the casuals they need to keep on board and if they turn their back, it's a reflection on the performance. All they need to do is win, to turn it around. As of yet, Henry hasn't done that. |
13th June 2008, 14:39 | #69 |
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another one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...le/7451980.stm
but check the file pic they found for him.....
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13th June 2008, 15:30 | #70 |
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Ab, can you unsticky the 2007 virtual challenge please?
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My point being that obviously Henry can win the pressure games or else he wouldn't have Bledisloe Cups, Tri-Nations, Lions Series and Grand Slams to his name. Deans does have a great finals record, but he's not invincible. He has lost Semi-finals and Finals. |
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