Random Thoughts II

[leadinjector]

because hes powerful. women are drawn to power over things like looks

[fidgit]

Originally Posted by BillHague

Couldn't agree more.

When he lost Reznor's production, he lost the plot.

I wouldn't agree. He's moved a long way from what he was doing when Reznor was producing, but then, Reznor has also moved a long way from where he was at the time - even if they were still working together they would not be anything like Antichrist and earlier.

The biggest problem I have with Marilyn Manson now is he seems stuck in the angry 16 year old stage. The albums right up to the newest one seemed to be a concerted effort to appeal to teenagers, rather than growing up with his core fan base. I suppose what I'd like to see is for him to pull a Nick Cave and grow up a bit.


(this should be taken with tablespoons of salt - I spent the better part the end of the last decade and the first half of this one listening to Manson moe than anything else. It might just be that I grew up. Finally.)

[BillHague]

Hey, don't get me wrong, I still listen to the (is it 5?) albums that followed Antichrist Superstar, but all I'm saying is that that is a masterpiece, and the rest are just grinding out an inferior version of the same formula.

I also love Portrait of an American Family

[fidgit]

Originally Posted by BillHague

Hey, don't get me wrong, I still listen to the (is it 5?) albums that followed Antichrist Superstar, but all I'm saying is that that is a masterpiece, and the rest are just grinding out an inferior version of the same formula.

I also love Portrait of an American Family

Righto, got you wrong indeed. And I can't disagree with you on which album was bestest.

Damn shame they didn't do (more of) Lunchbox when they played in Auckland last year.

Hopefully now that Twiggy's back he can get Manson back on some decent acid and he'll make another great album ;>

[Rep]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete....html?ITO=1490

Called iron fertilization.

[doppelgänger of someone]

There was a photo in 2008 person of the year edition of Time magazine. Ostensively a photo of Sarkozy and spouse, but the beauty and elegance of Carla Bruni immediately became the focus of that photo. Oh there was hint of a nipple underneath her beautiful silk blouse.

I can't find a scan of that photo, you don't realize how fugly and creepy Sarkozy really looks until you see his wife.

[crocos]

Originally Posted by Rep

iron fertilization

I imagine this is how those "killer lakes" form - the ones that kill small lakeside towns when they release a "burp"?

[leadinjector]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger of someone

There was a photo in 2008 person of the year edition of Time magazine. Ostensively a photo of Sarkozy and spouse, but the beauty and elegance of Carla Bruni immediately became the focus of that photo. Oh there was hint of a nipple underneath her beautiful silk blouse.

I can't find a scan of that photo, you don't realize how fugly and creepy Sarkozy really looks until you see his wife.

heres a question- is it more shallow for a guy to be with a girl because shes good looking, or for a girl to be with a guy because of his position of power/wealth? lets be realistic, would she date him if he was say an accountant or owned a menswear store? i sincerely doubt its his wonderful personality that keeps her around.

[xor]

Originally Posted by leadinjector

heres a question- is it more shallow for a guy to be with a girl because shes good looking, or for a girl to be with a guy because of his position of power/wealth? lets be realistic, would she date him if he was say an accountant or owned a menswear store? i sincerely doubt its his wonderful personality that keeps her around.

It's more shallow for the guy because she will get a few wrinkles as she gets a bit older. And when she does he can always upgrade to a newer model. Money has a greater shelf life

[SpaceCowboy]

Originally Posted by leadinjector

heres a question- is it more shallow for a guy to be with a girl because shes good looking, or for a girl to be with a guy because of his position of power/wealth?

neither, we are hard wired to do so. good looking girls are healthier and have the best chance of bearing children for us. on a similar track, more powerful guys are more attractive to women because they can ensure a good life for them and their future families.

so really, nothing is shallow, its just natural.

[leadinjector]

true. i think its a lifetime of romanticisation that makes peolpe think we are attracted to people and not what they have/can offer

[MadMax]

i don't know if anyone remembers me posting about my dad banking a rather large sum from a cheque he was posted from some spam or nigerian type outfit. turns out the cheque had actualy been stolen, some details changed and reprinted onto an A4 page with some paper that had VOID written all over it when copied.

even though the cheque cleared the bank held the money, and whatever interest gained was far outweighed by change in the dollar so he owed the bank a rather large amount of money. luckily sorted by a banking ombudsman.

[Sgt Seb]

Originally Posted by leadinjector

true. i think its a lifetime of romanticisation that makes peolpe think we are attracted to people and not what they have/can offer

Yeah too many brainwashing Hollywood movies.

[Sgt Seb]

At least guys are honest that they want good body, pretty face. A lot of women (although less as time goes on) tell me that body/face is completely unimportant to them, which is totally disingenuous.

[chiQ]

Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy

neither, we are hard wired to do so. good looking girls are healthier and have the best chance of bearing children for us. on a similar track, more powerful guys are more attractive to women because they can ensure a good life for them and their future families.

so really, nothing is shallow, its just natural.

Totally. I married BaM for his cooking.

[xor]

Originally Posted by chiQ

Totally. I married BaM for his cooking.

Speaking of which. What are the recipes you guys make for pizza?
We've been making our own dough and making some pretty nice pizzas with Salami, cherry tomatos and brie. After some different flavours

Anyone make wholemeal bases?

[leadinjector]

Originally Posted by Sgt Seb

At least guys are honest that they want good body, pretty face. A lot of women (although less as time goes on) tell me that body/face is completely unimportant to them, which is totally disingenuous.

while i dont think its unimportant i think it is less important. im no catch but ive landed some good looking girls, whereas even if a girl is extremely cool, if shes fat and ugly i wont go there (well, not since high school >.>) and i think that works for pretty much any guy. although different guys have different standards

[Cyberbob]

Originally Posted by crocos

I imagine this is how those "killer lakes" form - the ones that kill small lakeside towns when they release a "burp"?

I thought that was more from chlorine gas etc

[chiQ]

Originally Posted by xor

Speaking of which. What are the recipes you guys make for pizza?
We've been making our own dough and making some pretty nice pizzas with Salami, cherry tomatos and brie. After some different flavours

Anyone make wholemeal bases?

Check out the Hell thread. BaM posted some recipes, including one he made up on the spot while he posted (subsequently made and enjoyed), with a link to the bases we use. No point in making them when you can buy wonderful bases at the supermarket!

[Torka]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-co...-195121104.htm

[Jonas Undrawing]

this sausage roll tastes like a spring roll with no vegetables. lose.

[dylan]

Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy

neither, we are hard wired to do so. good looking girls are healthier and have the best chance of bearing children for us.

That makes no sense.

'Pretty' has nothing to do with childbearing. 'Pretty' also has little to do with being healthy.

Someone like Beatrice Faumiana (no idea how to spell that) would be the world's #1 desired mum for your children if what you say is true.

Personally, I think she's hot. But I think other girls are hot too and I doubt they'd make very good mothers

[Jonas Undrawing]

Originally Posted by xor

Speaking of which. What are the recipes you guys make for pizza?
We've been making our own dough and making some pretty nice pizzas with Salami, cherry tomatos and brie. After some different flavours

Anyone make wholemeal bases?

To cook add: cheese, tandori chicken pieces, coconut. After cooking add: slices of banana, spring onions, and a little chutney in the middle.

[SpaceCowboy]

Originally Posted by dylan

'Pretty' has nothing to do with childbearing. 'Pretty' also has little to do with being healthy.

maybe not in this century, but in past eons it certainly did. if you were a wandering caveman, would you rather shag a hobbit with sores all over her body, a bung leg, and a lazy eye, or would you rather shag a healthy looking pretty thing?

note that the one with the bung leg would also probably have bad genes - another reason to do not want.

[Torka]

lol, evopsych

[Trigga*happY]

Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy

maybe not in this century, but in past eons it certainly did. if you were a wandering caveman, would you rather shag a hobbit with sores all over her body, a bung leg, and a lazy eye, or would you rather shag a healthy looking pretty thing?

note that the one with the bung leg would also probably have bad genes - another reason to do not want.

However, pretty is a new concept when you are talking eons. Typically a well fed or by todays standards 'tubby' woman would be considered attractive as skinny would have been associated with malnourished and not suitable for child bearing.

Therefore your hypothesis is incorrect.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by Cyberbob

I thought that was more from chlorine gas etc

Nope, good old CO2 - though from volcanic sources, not algae..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_monoun

[leadinjector]

Originally Posted by dylan

That makes no sense.

'Pretty' has nothing to do with childbearing. 'Pretty' also has little to do with being healthy.

Someone like Beatrice Faumiana (no idea how to spell that) would be the world's #1 desired mum for your children if what you say is true.

Personally, I think she's hot. But I think other girls are hot too and I doubt they'd make very good mothers

depends what you term as "pretty" (beatrice? what the fuck?)

for me its someone who is in shape. someone with wide hips, someone who has exotic features, nice skin, who doesnt have habits like smoking etc. all of these are based on how good they would be at fathering my kids- a healthy person is more liky to have healthy babies, wide hips is obvious, exotic features means they are unlikely to possess a similar immune system to me

but if you just mean pretty as in someone like keira knightley who has a pretty face but is an emaciated skeleton then yeah it wouldnt be an indicator.

[leadinjector]

Originally Posted by Trigga*happY

However, pretty is a new concept when you are talking eons. Typically a well fed or by todays standards 'tubby' woman would be considered attractive as skinny would have been associated with malnourished and not suitable for child bearing.

Therefore your hypothesis is incorrect.

girl doesnt have to be fat or skinny, can be an inbetween where the fat is in all the right places

[StN]

Originally Posted by leadinjector

depends what you term as "pretty"...
for me its someone who is in shape. someone with wide hips, someone who has exotic features, nice skin, who doesnt have habits like smoking etc. all of these are based on how good they would be at fathering my kids.

You're looking for a chick to father your kids?

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy

neither, we are hard wired to do so. good looking girls are healthier and have the best chance of bearing children for us. on a similar track, more powerful guys are more attractive to women because they can ensure a good life for them and their future families.

so really, nothing is shallow, its just natural.

I think that there are definitely certain traits that we are attracted to in mates related to survival which come from the evolutionary process.
I don't agree with you that good looking girls are necessarily healthier and think this is more a cultural thing (arguably today's top models are undernourished). The same with an abundance of money necessitating 'a good life'.
I think the most human (natural) thing about us is our free will. This enables us NOT to be a slave to our genes. Instead of just having a causal relationship with our biology (like other animals) we can make our own mind up about how we act.

[Trigger]

Originally Posted by dylan

That makes no sense.

'Pretty' has nothing to do with childbearing. 'Pretty' also has little to do with being healthy.

Someone like Beatrice Faumiana (no idea how to spell that) would be the world's #1 desired mum for your children if what you say is true.

Personally, I think she's hot. But I think other girls are hot too and I doubt they'd make very good mothers

sweet as, you can have the fugly fatties and I'll have the hot young supermodels
win win

[Evoke]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I think the most human (natural) thing about us is our free will. This enables us NOT to be a slave to our genes. Instead of just having a causal relationship with our biology (like other animals) we can make our own mind up about how we act.

what bullshit.

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by Evoke

what bullshit.

for you maybe. baa

[Redneck]

Originally Posted by Evoke

what bullshit.

So what about suicide?

[Evoke]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

for you maybe. baa

you may think you're making a choice, but the reality is your environment, your genes, and your experiences make you see the only (or maybe a couple) of the myriad of choices available. thus you are 'a slave' as you say just like other animals.

[Redneck]

Originally Posted by Evoke

(or maybe a couple) of the myriad of choices available. thus you are 'a slave' as you say just like other animals.

That's Contradiction! (tm)

[Evoke]

it's as much a contradiction as giving your boss a shitty option and the good option and knowing he'll pick a good one. you're not really giving him a choice, you're just giving him the illusion of making a choice.

[flic]

Originally Posted by Redneck

So what about suicide?

Lemmings

[chiQ]

I'm under the impression that it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B.

There are the kneejerk factors, such as fitness, prominent sexual organs (lips, boobs, crotch monster, etc.), success, and personal happiness, but there are also the personal preferences, such as a readiness to laugh or make you laugh, emotional intelligence, taste in clothes, nice bum, pretty eyes, and so forth. It all plays into the set of rules that push *your* buttons. Why should instinct and free will be mutually exclusive? It's certainly not all instinctive, or goths would never breed.