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17th July 2020, 01:34 | #5121 |
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Hands up who's looking forward to the Brownlee-Davis deputies debate? If Kelvin turns up, I mean.
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19th July 2020, 20:59 | #5122 | |
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John Bolton pay to play on camera
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21st July 2020, 02:18 | #5123 |
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The ruling that lays bare the gross injustice of the three strikes law
Hopefully Labour wins sufficiently they can sort out this broken law without a drama.
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21st July 2020, 12:45 | #5124 |
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Yeah, 3 strikes is dumb, why's it 3? Why not 4 or 5?
Let's just hope they do something to address recidivists, that isn't equivalent giving them a strong talking to and a cuddle. |
23rd July 2020, 12:17 | #5125 |
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Anyone want to discuss the referendums that are up this year?
End of Life Choice referendum In this referendum, you can vote on whether the End of Life Choice Act 2019 should come into force. The referendum question is:
Cannabis legalisation and control referendum In this referendum, you can vote on whether the recreational use of cannabis should become legal. The referendum question is:
You can choose 1 of these 2 answers:
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23rd July 2020, 12:39 | #5126 |
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Support for both here.
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23rd July 2020, 12:46 | #5127 |
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The issue i have is the word "proposed"
Can the proposal evolve or change as it goes through legislative stages? or will it go through as-is. |
23rd July 2020, 12:52 | #5128 |
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Actually, I wasn't aware that it would allow people to grow their own.
If they took out that bit, I'd vote for it. But with it in, nope. |
23rd July 2020, 13:09 | #5129 | |
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The Cannabis one is a proposal, the act isn't done and will evolve. This is in the 'nice idea' phase, and is using the referendum to judge public opinion before too much effort is put into it.
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23rd July 2020, 14:07 | #5130 | |
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In the choice between cuddles for rapists and more rape we choose more rape. We're so fucking smart, eh? Politically, it's much more palatable to punish than to heal, even if it's ultimately ourselves we're punishing.
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23rd July 2020, 14:10 | #5131 |
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23rd July 2020, 22:16 | #5132 | |
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24th July 2020, 08:05 | #5133 |
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Same here.
I can understand people voting no to both but I don't get people who vote yes for one and no for the other. I'm guessing it's to do with some incorrect beliefs coming from false information. I think these two referendums are about rights of individuals to make decisions for themselves and affirming this in one instance & denying it with the other is moralistically & unduly interfering with people's lives.
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24th July 2020, 11:20 | #5134 |
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I will vote for them, but I slightly disagree.
Euthanasia is totally about the rights of the individual, and as long as there are safety nets in place to stop malicious behaviour from others, then perfect. This falls into the same category as abortion, or sexual orientation etc etc. Marijuana, while it will be voted based on peoples (potentially skewed*) morals, it more a society impact. Health, Social, Economy. There is the potential of societal impacts due to this. So it will be deciding if the good outweigh the negative enough. *skewed due to people thinking DRUGS = BAD while drinking their beer. |
24th July 2020, 11:57 | #5135 |
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If anyone is concerned with any negative societal impacts of marijuana use then they should be [i]for[/] regulation including getting it off the black market and making abuse a health rather than criminal issue.
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24th July 2020, 13:59 | #5136 | |
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24th July 2020, 16:11 | #5138 |
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Frankly the only thing I dislike about weed is the smell - but still prefer that smell over that of tobacco, and pretty much can't escape that.
To clarify: It's just a dislike, not a I HATE THAT SMELL or anything fanatical. I know people that benefit from using cannabis, so I'm voting yes.
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Cannabis was the boogeyman that a powerful politician decided upon, far away, a long time ago. That's it.
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24th July 2020, 18:18 | #5140 |
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So, this whole refugee fulla business is government MPs in Australia talking to opposition MPs in New Zealand? Some mutually beneficial shit stirring?
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24th July 2020, 18:32 | #5141 | |
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24th July 2020, 22:55 | #5142 | |
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What's wrong with this part, out of curiosity?
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24th July 2020, 23:32 | #5143 | |
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But that doesn't mean it should be legal now. But if its not legal now, then there should be a serious look at alcohol. But that of course would never happen. and by societal impacts, I wasnt just meaning negative. There will be huge benefits as well, |
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To clarify, I'm for individual choice. I'm against the End of Life Choice Act 2019, as I currently understand it. I'm against the concept of it being a viable treatment option that a doctor could put on the table along with other treatments currently available. I'm concerned about vulnerable demographics. "We can treat you for $20k a year for the rest of your life, or end your life for free, but it's your decision to make with your family." Doctors already have to give patients every option, and this option will now be included in that list. That's a hell of a lot of pressure, regardless of whether it's direct or just back of the mind, 'dark cloud day' sort of thoughts. If it comes out in ten years that low income, or Maori populations, or those with depression related mental illness diagnoses, are choosing voluntary euthanasia at a statistically significant & higher rate than other demographics, what's the gameplan there? I'm concerned about certainty. My mum was paid out her life insurance when she was diagnosed with late stage cancer. That was close to 12 years ago, and she's doing fantastic. She would have been offered ending her life as a viable treatment option. You don't have to go far for cases of people living far longer lives than they thought they would. I'm concerned about the message it's sending to a population with crazy high young people suicides that wanting to end your own life if things get too hard is OK without first thinking about the messaging we do want to send. There's too many risks and dangers that I don't think have been well thought out, and not enough clear communication. You can't play "Let's see how this goes" with peoples lives the same way you can with drugs & alcohol.
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25th July 2020, 13:09 | #5148 | |
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Home brew takes time - washing & sterilizing, making the wort, back to pitch hops (potentially several times depending on the recipe), cleaning bottles and bottling. Also the supplies - excepting the seeds/seedlings - are far easier to get at pretty much any Warehouse, hardware store or garden supplies, vs going to home brewing stores and some bulk-food places.
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26th July 2020, 21:53 | #5155 | |
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26th July 2020, 22:50 | #5156 |
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Voting yes for both.
I support giving people choice. I've also experienced a relative go through HORRIFIC pain for weeks on end with cancer, and absolutely nothing the doctors could do. You would have thought these days pain meds can at least help stuff like that, but even fully dosed up she was in obvious pain and suffering. You wouldn't treat an animal like that. |
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27th July 2020, 00:58 | #5158 |
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yeah, but surely it's not "PAY $20K OR DIE NOW"?
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27th July 2020, 01:12 | #5159 | |
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I think it kinda is?
Pharmac back-tracks on plan to fund lung cancer drug Keytruda There's this that the Greens are copping right now: Quote:
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27th July 2020, 01:14 | #5160 |
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thanks jacinda
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