Random Politics - Page 109

Lightspeed · 3rd May 2018, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCS

I don't believe that anyone has said there were no sewage leaks at all. But some of the sewage leaks reported have been exaggerated.

Yeah, but we can see what got you more excited.

fixed_truth · 3rd May 2018, 16:50

I'm interested in why the board made the decision to bury the 2010 report. It certainly appears that they were advised they wouldn't be receiving govt. funds to carry out the maintenance.

CCS · 3rd May 2018, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I'm interested in why the board made the decision to bury the 2010 report. It certainly appears that they were advised they wouldn't be receiving govt. funds to carry out the maintenance.

I don't know but I'm sure it must be National's fault.

Lightspeed · 3rd May 2018, 17:38

No way, it was clearly the fault of the cowardly board, wanting to keep their jobs rather than expose harsh reality. Which it appears to be the options they had to choose from.

fixed_truth · 3rd May 2018, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCS

I don't know but I'm sure it must be National's fault.

Well fault is not normally binary. But yes, if not enough funding was made available then that would be a big contributing factor. Especially considering problems are not limited to just one DHB.

Ab · 3rd May 2018, 18:19

Well, did the DHB have budget unspent at the end of the financial year(s) in question?

Lightspeed · 3rd May 2018, 19:50

Are you asking if the DHB was operating a surplus?

Nich · 3rd May 2018, 21:12

Nazi Pug comedian sentenced to pay a UKP 800 fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VDfcrDHvzE

His response is to repeal the fine, run a gofundme campaign, and fight to ensure freedom of speech is protected.

Lightspeed · 3rd May 2018, 22:57

Ministry told cash-strapped DHB what to tell ministers

fixed_truth · 4th May 2018, 08:16

THat's outrageous. National really are like a dodgy car salesman. Shame on anyone who fell for their surplus smoke and mirrors.

Here's some more mess that Labour have to clean up because of National's systematic under-funding and concealment of problems.

Education Minister says there's a $1.1b problem facing schools nationally

Ab · 4th May 2018, 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

THat's outrageous. [/url]

Lightspeed · 4th May 2018, 16:14

And this is what is obvious and easy to point to. But this effort to muzzle those who might speak out about the dire conditions New Zealanders are being subjected to has occurred across the board.

Sure, I can't prove that National handed over any number of contracts like that held by the Problem Gambling Foundation or various budgeting services because National wanted these services run by people friendly to them (and to send a message to others services who might speak out), but given what we know, why would anyone be so generous in guessing National's motivations?

None of us really know how bad it is because National has worked hard to make sure we can't know. Evidence based policy where there is no evidence is "do what the fuck we want" policy.

And it's clearly effective, National got more votes than any other party.

xor · 13th May 2018, 16:23

Saw golden kumara for sale in Coles for $3 AUD per kg. It's $9 NZD per kg @ New World. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

Lightspeed · 17th May 2018, 14:57

Rich people are such pathetic whiners:

Mark Richardson announces tenants' rent increase on live TV

fixed_truth · 17th May 2018, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Rich people are such pathetic whiners:

Mark Richardson announces tenants' rent increase on live TV

BUDGET 2018: Labour to pass increased cost of health onto Mark Richardson

Lightspeed · 27th May 2018, 00:53

Former CIA analyst says New Zealand should be kicked out of Five Eyes alliance

Quote:

A United States Congress hearing has been told New Zealand politicians are receiving "major" donations from China, with one former CIA analyst suggesting we be kicked out of the Five Eyes alliance.

fixed_truth · 28th May 2018, 09:10

Preferred prime minister

Jacinda Ardern 40.2%
Simon Bridges 9%
Winston Peters 4.6%
Judith Collins 3.7%

Party Vote

National 45.1% (+0.6)
Labour 42.6% (+0.3)
Green 5.7% (-0.3)
NZ First 2.4% (-1.2)

National will be happy they're steady on 45 but concerned that it looks like they'll need Greens to dip under 5 for them to get back in power. Also Bridges is polling same or worse than Labours middle aged white guys did against Key. I think a move to Collins would be terrible but who knows politics can be crazy.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12059756

pxpx · 28th May 2018, 11:42

If Collins starts trying to push a softer brand in the next few months then we'll know what's up.

Such a large disconnect between party and leader polling is bound to motivate those with leadership ambitions.

Lightspeed · 28th May 2018, 19:20

Govt announces panel to review welfare system

Hopefully something will come from this.

fixed_truth · 28th May 2018, 20:52

Hopefully. People on benefits shouldn't have to struggle to survive.

Quote:

"It will deliver advice to the Government on ways to ensure people have an adequate income and standard of living, are treated with respect, can live in dignity, and are able to participate meaningfully in their communities."

fixed_truth · 28th May 2018, 21:03

Simon Bridges opposed to taking abortion out of the Crimes Act
Working that conservative christian vote.

Lightspeed · 28th May 2018, 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Hopefully. People on benefits shouldn't have to struggle to survive.

I'm really hoping child welfare is a strong focus. I get that the consequences of failing our children occur well outside the election cycle, but most of us plan to live in New Zealand far beyond the next 3-6 years.

Ab · 28th May 2018, 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Simon Bridges opposed to taking abortion out of the Crimes Act
Working that conservative christian vote.

Ffs

Lightspeed · 29th May 2018, 16:07

More evidence that the families of NZ are doing just great:
Judges pulled from criminal cases to work Family Court backlog

Yay strong economy!

Nich · 29th May 2018, 23:02

The internet recently sparked with the sudden arrest, trial, and jailing of Tommy Robinson. I didn't know who this guy was, so I did some searching...

Douglas Murray provides a concise summary of the situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gofvIQ6f4tE

This sort of story fills me with dread and sadness. I want to know the details because I think it's important... but this story is truly horrific. I can't read on... all of it makes me sick.

Essentially Tommy Robinson has been arrested and jailed for reporting on the muslim rape gangs of Britain, and the injustice of the industrial-scale grooming, torture, and rape of British women. The police didn't do their job in stopping these crimes because they thought it would make them look a bit racist and xenophobic.

It touches on so many things that are just not discussed properly:
- Immigration and integration of large communities
- Vastly different belief systems that may simply not be compatible
- Political correctness (politeness) sometimes has very violent consequences
- Ineffective government
- Oppressive government silencing popular dissent to maintain a narrative
- Ineffective police
- Rapists who feel no remorse because divine blessing means infidels may be sexually exploited as one sees fit

Some commenters are presuming Tommy may die in jail if he's in the same confines as some of the people he has been reporting on.

It's fucked up...

Lightspeed · 30th May 2018, 00:42

It does seem impossible to investigate organised sex abuse in the UK. Notably it seems accusations of racism may be part of the reason for the judge's resignation, but I suspect other pressures also existed.

I don't doubt the pedophile rings and rape clubs still operate with impunity, Muslim or otherwise.

The phenomena doesn't seem to be unique to any place or time in human history.

Nich · 30th May 2018, 02:26

Oh I most certainly agree this is nothing new. The general trend is towards a healthier, safer, life for more and more people... which makes cases like these really feel like a step backwards for humanity.

I suppose what makes me ill most of all is that the UK police specifically went looking for Tommy Robinson and harassed him until he did something unlawful. It's the same feeling I got when reading 1984. Theresa May has dreams of totalitarianism, so it's not an exaggeration to say the UK government is behaving in a very Orwellian manner. It is its stated goal, and its way of conducting itself.

Look here, though. protests are happening world-wide over this.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-out-worldwide

Nich · 30th May 2018, 02:46

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/...ommy-robinson/

Alright, so he may have indeed provoked the judge after being fairly warned to stop his behaviour as it may lead to retrial or mis-trial. Still, he is trying to report on a story that doesnt get much coverage, but should.

pxpx · 30th May 2018, 08:14

I guess the really big question is, who really gives a shit?

Nich · 30th May 2018, 10:14

I give a damn just because there still seems to be some confusion about whether Islam should be tolerated in western societies. The confusion is best exemplified by none other than Batman:

sam Harris on Bill Maher with Ben Affleck
https://youtu.be/vln9D81eO60

and this

MP shares tweet saying abuse victims should ‘shut their mouths for good of diversity’
https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-sh...rsity-6872181/

Lightspeed · 30th May 2018, 14:06

I'm uncomfortable with specific groups being targeted for general concerns. Like getting wound up by Gloriavale when we're undermining our ability to fight in our own society what we condemn them of.

It's far too easy to get caught up in distortions where something appears so real and true - because it is - while blinding ourselves to what's also real and true.

*Behaviours* should be tolerable/intolerable. Who is engaging in them shouldn't be a consideration.

Nich · 31st May 2018, 12:31

We can all agree that both behaviours (being in contempt of court, and systematic rape of thousands) are intolerable in western societies. There are laws that allow prosecution for these offenses. Where the problem lies is that authorities hesitate to enforce the law for one group, while the other group is a much easier and compliant target.

I get that authorities are in a tough position, and I can understand their reluctance to act. France and Britain over the past 15 years have been shaken by a series of random acts of terror. A public trial in Britain of a Muslim group could be seen as racist and anti-Muslim, which may spark international outrage from social justice warriors, and even worse could provoke another terrorist attack.

What drives me to despair is that British police chose to look the other way and stay silent out of fear of bad public image or violent retaliation. Unfortunately, the world has erupted with street protests about Tommy Robinson's imprisonment rather than the issue he was trying to highlight.

Ab · 31st May 2018, 12:49

Even Wikipedia’s anodyne description will make you rage:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth...tation_scandal

Amazingly the words Muslim and Islam appear not once in that article... which is I guess the point

Lightspeed · 31st May 2018, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nich

We can all agree that both behaviours (being in contempt of court, and systematic rape of thousands) are intolerable in western societies. There are laws that allow prosecution for these offenses. Where the problem lies is that authorities hesitate to enforce the law for one group, while the other group is a much easier and compliant target.

Absolutely, it definitely goes both ways.

DrTiTus · 31st May 2018, 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Even Wikipedia’s anodyne description will make you rage:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth...tation_scandal

Amazingly the words Muslim and Islam appear not once in that article... which is I guess the point

Actually, mention of Muslim and Islam both appear. And a whole lot of Pakistani. It also mentions taxi drivers (which pretty much means immigrants).

Ab · 31st May 2018, 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrTiTus

Actually, mention of Muslim and Islam both appear.

Where?

DrTiTus · 31st May 2018, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Where?

Norfolk writes that most sex offenders in the UK are white men and lone offenders; these cases were distinctive because most of the men had Muslim names and were working in groups.

British Muslims and members of the British-Pakistani community condemned both the abuse and that it had been covered up.

Nazir Afzal, Chief Crown Prosecutor of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) for North West England from 2011–2015, himself a Muslim, made the decision in 2011 to prosecute the Rochdale child sex abuse ring after the CPS had turned the case down.

The UK Hindu Council and the Sikh Federation asked that the perpetrators be described as Pakistani Muslims, rather than Asian.

Responding to the Jay report, he argued that the abuse had no basis in Islam: "Islam says that alcohol, drugs, rape and abuse are all forbidden, yet these men were surrounded by all of these things."

Since your link is a mobile link, it's possible you're being shown a brief/mobile version on your mobile device?

Nich · 2nd June 2018, 00:56

Dutch representative at EU condemns the arrest of Tommy Robinson and points out similar cases of totalitarianism across Europe.

https://youtu.be/S40WdgR0m3Y

fixed_truth · 2nd June 2018, 12:26

Tough rules see migrants give up and go home

Now this fucks me off. There's a lot of good migrant workers having to leave NZ because stingy employers won't pay them $24.29 per hour.

Nich · 5th June 2018, 12:18

The economic incentive system is broken, so it's unreasonable to blame the employer. Blame the government for creating a stupid "Skilled Migrant" category.

3rd May 2018, 16:50	#4322
fixed_truth	I'm interested in why the board made the decision to bury the 2010 report. It certainly appears that they were advised they wouldn't be receiving govt. funds to carry out the maintenance. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

3rd May 2018, 17:38	#4324
Lightspeed	No way, it was clearly the fault of the cowardly board, wanting to keep their jobs rather than expose harsh reality. Which it appears to be the options they had to choose from. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

3rd May 2018, 18:19	#4326
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Well, did the DHB have budget unspent at the end of the financial year(s) in question?

3rd May 2018, 19:50	#4327
Lightspeed	Are you asking if the DHB was operating a surplus? __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

3rd May 2018, 21:12	#4328
Nich	Nazi Pug comedian sentenced to pay a UKP 800 fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VDfcrDHvzE His response is to repeal the fine, run a gofundme campaign, and fight to ensure freedom of speech is protected.

3rd May 2018, 22:57	#4329
Lightspeed	Ministry told cash-strapped DHB what to tell ministers __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

4th May 2018, 08:16	#4330
fixed_truth	THat's outrageous. National really are like a dodgy car salesman. Shame on anyone who fell for their surplus smoke and mirrors. Here's some more mess that Labour have to clean up because of National's systematic under-funding and concealment of problems. Education Minister says there's a $1.1b problem facing schools nationally __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

4th May 2018, 16:14	#4332
Lightspeed	And this is what is obvious and easy to point to. But this effort to muzzle those who might speak out about the dire conditions New Zealanders are being subjected to has occurred across the board. Sure, I can't prove that National handed over any number of contracts like that held by the Problem Gambling Foundation or various budgeting services because National wanted these services run by people friendly to them (and to send a message to others services who might speak out), but given what we know, why would anyone be so generous in guessing National's motivations? None of us really know how bad it is because National has worked hard to make sure we can't know. Evidence based policy where there is no evidence is "do what the fuck we want" policy. And it's clearly effective, National got more votes than any other party. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

13th May 2018, 16:23	#4333
xor	Saw golden kumara for sale in Coles for $3 AUD per kg. It's $9 NZD per kg @ New World. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

17th May 2018, 14:57	#4334
Lightspeed	Rich people are such pathetic whiners: Mark Richardson announces tenants' rent increase on live TV __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

28th May 2018, 09:10	#4337
fixed_truth	Preferred prime minister Jacinda Ardern 40.2% Simon Bridges 9% Winston Peters 4.6% Judith Collins 3.7% Party Vote National 45.1% (+0.6) Labour 42.6% (+0.3) Green 5.7% (-0.3) NZ First 2.4% (-1.2) National will be happy they're steady on 45 but concerned that it looks like they'll need Greens to dip under 5 for them to get back in power. Also Bridges is polling same or worse than Labours middle aged white guys did against Key. I think a move to Collins would be terrible but who knows politics can be crazy. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12059756 __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

28th May 2018, 11:42	#4338
pxpx	If Collins starts trying to push a softer brand in the next few months then we'll know what's up. Such a large disconnect between party and leader polling is bound to motivate those with leadership ambitions.

28th May 2018, 19:20	#4339
Lightspeed	Govt announces panel to review welfare system Hopefully something will come from this. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

28th May 2018, 21:03	#4341
fixed_truth	Simon Bridges opposed to taking abortion out of the Crimes Act Working that conservative christian vote. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong. Last edited by fixed_truth : 28th May 2018 at 21:04.

29th May 2018, 16:07	#4344
Lightspeed	More evidence that the families of NZ are doing just great: Judges pulled from criminal cases to work Family Court backlog Yay strong economy! __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

29th May 2018, 23:02	#4345
Nich	The internet recently sparked with the sudden arrest, trial, and jailing of Tommy Robinson. I didn't know who this guy was, so I did some searching... Douglas Murray provides a concise summary of the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gofvIQ6f4tE This sort of story fills me with dread and sadness. I want to know the details because I think it's important... but this story is truly horrific. I can't read on... all of it makes me sick. Essentially Tommy Robinson has been arrested and jailed for reporting on the muslim rape gangs of Britain, and the injustice of the industrial-scale grooming, torture, and rape of British women. The police didn't do their job in stopping these crimes because they thought it would make them look a bit racist and xenophobic. It touches on so many things that are just not discussed properly: - Immigration and integration of large communities - Vastly different belief systems that may simply not be compatible - Political correctness (politeness) sometimes has very violent consequences - Ineffective government - Oppressive government silencing popular dissent to maintain a narrative - Ineffective police - Rapists who feel no remorse because divine blessing means infidels may be sexually exploited as one sees fit Some commenters are presuming Tommy may die in jail if he's in the same confines as some of the people he has been reporting on. It's fucked up...

30th May 2018, 00:42	#4346
Lightspeed	It does seem impossible to investigate organised sex abuse in the UK. Notably it seems accusations of racism may be part of the reason for the judge's resignation, but I suspect other pressures also existed. I don't doubt the pedophile rings and rape clubs still operate with impunity, Muslim or otherwise. The phenomena doesn't seem to be unique to any place or time in human history. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

30th May 2018, 02:26	#4347
Nich	Oh I most certainly agree this is nothing new. The general trend is towards a healthier, safer, life for more and more people... which makes cases like these really feel like a step backwards for humanity. I suppose what makes me ill most of all is that the UK police specifically went looking for Tommy Robinson and harassed him until he did something unlawful. It's the same feeling I got when reading 1984. Theresa May has dreams of totalitarianism, so it's not an exaggeration to say the UK government is behaving in a very Orwellian manner. It is its stated goal, and its way of conducting itself. Look here, though. protests are happening world-wide over this. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-out-worldwide

30th May 2018, 02:46	#4348
Nich	https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/...ommy-robinson/ Alright, so he may have indeed provoked the judge after being fairly warned to stop his behaviour as it may lead to retrial or mis-trial. Still, he is trying to report on a story that doesnt get much coverage, but should.

30th May 2018, 08:14	#4349
pxpx	I guess the really big question is, who really gives a shit? Last edited by pxpx : 30th May 2018 at 08:15.

30th May 2018, 10:14	#4350
Nich	I give a damn just because there still seems to be some confusion about whether Islam should be tolerated in western societies. The confusion is best exemplified by none other than Batman: sam Harris on Bill Maher with Ben Affleck https://youtu.be/vln9D81eO60 and this MP shares tweet saying abuse victims should ‘shut their mouths for good of diversity’ https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-sh...rsity-6872181/

30th May 2018, 14:06	#4351
Lightspeed	I'm uncomfortable with specific groups being targeted for general concerns. Like getting wound up by Gloriavale when we're undermining our ability to fight in our own society what we condemn them of. It's far too easy to get caught up in distortions where something appears so real and true - because it is - while blinding ourselves to what's also real and true. Behaviours should be tolerable/intolerable. Who is engaging in them shouldn't be a consideration. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

31st May 2018, 12:31	#4352
Nich	We can all agree that both behaviours (being in contempt of court, and systematic rape of thousands) are intolerable in western societies. There are laws that allow prosecution for these offenses. Where the problem lies is that authorities hesitate to enforce the law for one group, while the other group is a much easier and compliant target. I get that authorities are in a tough position, and I can understand their reluctance to act. France and Britain over the past 15 years have been shaken by a series of random acts of terror. A public trial in Britain of a Muslim group could be seen as racist and anti-Muslim, which may spark international outrage from social justice warriors, and even worse could provoke another terrorist attack. What drives me to despair is that British police chose to look the other way and stay silent out of fear of bad public image or violent retaliation. Unfortunately, the world has erupted with street protests about Tommy Robinson's imprisonment rather than the issue he was trying to highlight.

31st May 2018, 12:49	#4353
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Even Wikipedia’s anodyne description will make you rage: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth...tation_scandal Amazingly the words Muslim and Islam appear not once in that article... which is I guess the point

2nd June 2018, 00:56	#4358
Nich	Dutch representative at EU condemns the arrest of Tommy Robinson and points out similar cases of totalitarianism across Europe. https://youtu.be/S40WdgR0m3Y

2nd June 2018, 12:26	#4359
fixed_truth	Tough rules see migrants give up and go home Now this fucks me off. There's a lot of good migrant workers having to leave NZ because stingy employers won't pay them $24.29 per hour. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

5th June 2018, 12:18	#4360
Nich	The economic incentive system is broken, so it's unreasonable to blame the employer. Blame the government for creating a stupid "Skilled Migrant" category.