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5th November 2013, 08:36 | #1 |
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11151474
so with these roastie boys, how long do you reckon til the sobbing heartfelt apology comes out? while i doubt any actual vigilante action will come of this- like always, people talk tough but very few are actually going to get their hands dirty- these dudes must be shitting now this has become such a big deal. looking forward to the bullshit apology on campbell live. |
5th November 2013, 09:03 | #2 |
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Drunk girls get fucked all of the time; some of them intend this to happen some do not and most from both groups can't remember what happened even if shown pictorial evidence.
I just don't agree with the vigilante brigade that this is bad - this is just one of the priori-understood likely consequence of choosing to be drunk out in the big wide world where everyone knows there are both good and bad people. It's no surprise to anyone old enough to want to drink what happens if you drink too much and so for me it does not count if something later regretted happens where a person sets themselves up to make this negative experience thousands of times more likely than it would be if they weren't high on drugs. If you voluntarily play Russian Roulette and mange to shoot yourself in the head then it's your own fault that this happens. Perhaps good can come from this though? Share the videos widely so that others can be even better informed of what can happen (assuming this is possible - I imagine most people are already adequately informed but providing repeat education might slightly expanded those who grasp this simple concept). |
5th November 2013, 09:14 | #3 |
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Hmmm - is GT playing devils advocate here?
Surely he recognises that brain development, and in particular, risk analysis and avoidance, are not fully matured in a 13 year old - no matter how much "Girls mature faster than boys" crap is touted out. Stupification is considered a factor for a reason. And he wouldn't be advocating the distribution of child sex videos would he? |
5th November 2013, 09:17 | #4 |
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Where are the parents.
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5th November 2013, 09:27 | #5 |
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Working minimum wage jobs for GT.
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5th November 2013, 09:31 | #6 | |
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5th November 2013, 13:58 | #7 | |
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The only drunk kids you see, with rare exceptions, are those that have learned to be like ths having watched and emulated their parents. NZ society holds in high esteeme those who are high on various drugs; being so is a favorite pastime of a large part of the adult population. But of course most rationalise that alcohol doesn't count as a drug to be careful with. Distributing the videos? Sure - some will collect them to support their fantasies but most would see these as a pretty stark indication of the need to engage their brains in taking a small amount of responsibility for themselves. I'd show them in schools during drug education with a "this is what happens if you can't be bothered taking sme responsibility for you safety". Many adult women have the same experiences; thus is so common it's not news worthy. |
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5th November 2013, 14:10 | #8 | |
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Australia's highest profile "mummy blogger", Mia Freedman, posted an article last month about the danger in which drunk girls place themselves, an article which concluded
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5th November 2013, 15:37 | #9 |
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Well it finally happened. GT went full troll.
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5th November 2013, 16:02 | #10 |
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I dont lile how the media has whipped thias into such a huge shit storm. Right or wrong, you cant call them rapists until they atleast have been charged and preferably convicted, surely?
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5th November 2013, 21:01 | #12 | |
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You might want your teenager to be like a six year old but the brutal reality is that they are not. Teenagers and adults alike choose very deliberately to get high on drugs. A great many adults teach their kids by example that this is in fact desirable. I know plenty of adults whose primary recreation activity is getting drunk at every opportunity. What I find entertaining is how these adults who are also parents react when their kids precisely emulate the behavior of the home they have grown up in - it's okay for the adults to be drunk and incoherent but when they're sober enough to realise what is happening around them they're horrified by the exact same behavior being expressed by their kids. Girl goes out with the intention of getting high. She know beforehand exactly what this will mean in terms of her awareness of her situation. She knows beforehand that she will be amongst people she has no reason to trust. She knows beforehand exactly the sorts of things that might happen. She engages in activities that in some cases she later regrets. What is the problem here? |
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5th November 2013, 21:12 | #13 |
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Should 13 year olds also be allowed to vote, and be held liable to any actions they take (that is, should we do away with the idea that someone can't be found guilty of a crime if they are young enough?)
I'm not trolling, genuinely curious on your thoughts on this.
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The developmental stages a 10 - 13 or even 13 - 15/16 year old is going through is crucial and they are absolutely still easily swayed by adult/senior issues if they're exposed to them. They've got a whole heap of biological nonsense going on with hormones and new thought patterns which COULD display independence to a lay person, but the reality is that they're still extremely easily molded and/or groomed and adding alcohol to the mix would confuse a huge majority of children in that age bracket. Note; I say most, not all. There are always exceptions, however your opinions and suggestions are literally going against thousands of peer reviewed, evidence based literature. Just because you or I, or even your children had proper adult influences in place to guide our developmental progress towards a pattern of what is known to be rational and logic and dismiss any drug and alcohol until age-appropriate or even until we're slightly older, does not mean that everyone has had that luxury and that is most likely the type of children these guys are going for. And they probably were easily swayed into drinking, copious amounts even, but that does not at all mean they've consented in any way and should absolutely not minimise the atrocity of guys preying on younger women and boasting about it online. |
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13....? they are horny and want to think they're older mebbe.... but to manipulate that as an older man is despicable. keep to the virtual kiddies gt.
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6th November 2013, 09:42 | #17 | |
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You're saying that this is all wrong, that a 13 year old does know what's coming to them. We'll if that's the case you should follow though and promote reduce voting age to 13 (as previously suggested), drinking age to 13, driving age to 13, and legal culpability to 13. Tell me how that works GT? |
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6th November 2013, 09:52 | #20 | |
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6th November 2013, 10:07 | #21 |
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Apart from ruining the ghostbusters song; what does the term "roast busters" actually mean in teen speak? Something to do with a spit roast?
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6th November 2013, 10:24 | #22 |
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I hate how this shit is labeled as rape
Just like women these days can regret a one night stand and cry rape and completely destroy the guys life even if proven innocent. I am not saying these guys are innocent but until they are convicted in court, calling them rapists is BULLSHIT. |
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6th November 2013, 10:50 | #24 |
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And plenty of parents who refuse to stay poor work 60-80 hour weeks, to ensure more visible needs are met (clothing, schooling, food, housing), not realising they also need to spend quality time working through tough issues with their kids.
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6th November 2013, 10:56 | #25 |
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I agree with you blur that people should jump the gun to, "rape", but I don't think that's the argument here, I think the argument here is strictly around the allegation that they've made a sexual violation by sexual conduct with a young person under 16 years old (the 13 year old [Crimes Act 1961 s134(1) and (6)]).
However, the defence could be that they didn't *know* she was 13. [Crimes Act 1961 s134(a)(1) subs(a)(b)(c)]. But then there's the roundabout argument of whether a 13 year old is impaired enough to understand the sexual conduct or the decisions about sexual conduct and so on. [Crimes Act 1961 s138(6) subs(a)(b)(c)(d)] Section 131B is also relevant. Section 128(a) also talks about how allowing sexual activity does not amount to consent in some circumstances. While I agree that this vigilante mob mentality has jumped the gun to rape straight away, these guys haven't done themselves any favours by plastering themselves all over Facebook and gloating about their exploitations. It's hard for a reasonable person to put emotion to one side and judge solely on the facts, especially when most of the "facts" have come from the sensationalised media. |
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6th November 2013, 13:12 | #27 |
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Ah trial by media. Increasing the chances of a dismissal due to tainted jury pool since ages ago.
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6th November 2013, 14:56 | #29 |
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Maybe an interesting parenting trick would be to allow them to get high/drunk at home as a once off and then when they're out of it, shave off their eyebrows and write over their face with vivids. Make sure to document this with pic and/or video evidence. When they recover, they'll learn pretty quickly some of the negatives of these things. Hopefully they'll make better decisions in the future? For the record, I don't have kids.
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Too bad we hadn't figured this out before we decided convicting a 12 year old as "New Zealand's youngest killer" was the right thing to do.
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6th November 2013, 15:53 | #33 |
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Hahah, if it does get to court, with that kind of evidence they'll probably give the case to a junior prosecutor, let them have a go at an easy win.
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6th November 2013, 17:09 | #35 |
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The scummy areas of West Auckland are pretty shoddy, I grew up in South Auckland and now live out West, I would say West is actually worse. It's definitely not a white trash suburbia anymore. I don't live in the best neighbourhood (right on the edge of West Harbour) but thankfully I live in a cul-de-sac with awesome neighbours. One makes medieval weapons and armour and another is a little person family (with a pocket bike to boot, I swear I almost felt like I could die because I had seen so much awesome that day). But, one or two streets over, it's a shit hole. Fights all the time and we can sometimes hear them from our street.
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6th November 2013, 19:57 | #36 | |
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The basic situation being discussed here is an extremely simple one. You will see if you check my posts that I am silent on what is valid for every single conceivable situation. I have written exclusively about going out with the intention of getting high using one or another drug and whether a teen is capable of understanding possible consequences. |
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6th November 2013, 20:03 | #37 | |
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6th November 2013, 20:39 | #38 | |
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the only thing that's the problem here is public name and shame and being dicks about it besides that, carry on imo
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6th November 2013, 21:21 | #39 | |
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This is the far right "I'm a centrist" mindset.
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