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26th November 2023, 13:54 | #1 | |
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NZF+ACT+National thus far...
Smokefree law changes a 'completely backwards step' - health experts
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"Lives? Uuh, hello, money is on the line here!"
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26th November 2023, 14:30 | #2 | |
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National is for businesses and the rich n' wealthy. |
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26th November 2023, 14:42 | #3 |
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This change of government will mean we no longer normalise fags to young people and instead normalise fags to young people.
Also, I like your choice of thread title, I was thinking it should be the same thing, in the same order, since that's the true ranking of who's calling the shots.
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26th November 2023, 14:47 | #4 | |
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27th November 2023, 11:42 | #5 | |
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27th November 2023, 11:56 | #6 |
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National's financial plan before election - Foreign BuyersTax to pay for income tax cuts.
Nek minnit um... we'll still fund taxs cuts somehow but don't worry we're putting Maori in their place and shitting on those most vulnerable! And we've got 3years of this clown show.
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27th November 2023, 13:29 | #7 | |
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I guess you're right, because it wasn't prohibition. Cigarettes were always still available for sale.
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27th November 2023, 13:43 | #8 |
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In the same way that alcohol was always available for purchase during the Prohibition Era in the USA.
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27th November 2023, 13:49 | #9 |
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Not legally?
And what's not working? Smoking is right down, there's no clandestine demand driving a thriving black market is there?
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27th November 2023, 14:05 | #10 | |
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27th November 2023, 14:10 | #11 |
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I'm not, keen to hear more tho. How big of an issue is this?
Especially when balanced against the evidence of dramatically reduced rates of smoking.
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27th November 2023, 14:39 | #12 |
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27th November 2023, 15:10 | #13 | |
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27th November 2023, 15:29 | #14 |
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Getting more poor people to smoke (& get sick & die) as a way to create revenue to fund tax cuts for the rich is just embarrassing.
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27th November 2023, 15:36 | #15 |
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I dunno, this isn't the only context where I've seen people more interested in discussing the pros and cons of prohibition.
The poors can suffer their lot. 🤷
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27th November 2023, 17:19 | #16 |
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Wait until you hear about alcohol, you'll shit bricks
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27th November 2023, 17:46 | #17 |
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Yeah, no sports for kiwi kids unless alcohol gets to advertise in sports grounds. 🤷
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27th November 2023, 19:06 | #18 |
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I'm all for reducing cigarette use, and putting it to big tobacco, but let's call a spade a spade, the Smokefree initiatives weren't working.
When I worked at Quitline in 2004-2008, It was "Smokefree 2012" The org that was running the Quitline, The Quit Group, was disestablished in 2015 and the function was wedged into Telehealth. Then it became Smokefree 2020. Then 2025, with no confidence that it was going to end there.
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27th November 2023, 19:08 | #19 |
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You reckon Willis is barking up the wrong tree if they're counting on a bump smoking tax revenue to fill their budget hole?
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27th November 2023, 20:20 | #20 | |
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27th November 2023, 21:15 | #21 | |
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27th November 2023, 21:18 | #22 |
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But they haven't even been sworn in for a whole day and I have already heard the rhetoric that the prev govt left the books in a worse state.
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27th November 2023, 23:34 | #23 | |
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28th November 2023, 11:30 | #24 |
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Cannabis can be smoked so it must be an equivalent drug to cigarettes!
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28th November 2023, 14:10 | #25 | |
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The very opposite of social investment
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28th November 2023, 16:08 | #26 |
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Oh god, all of a sudden everyone's realising that Bill English's social investment theory was actually fucking great.
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28th November 2023, 16:48 | #27 |
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They can't see past pizza spaghetti...
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29th November 2023, 15:13 | #28 | |
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I can't help but think Bishop is sitting thinking how he is going to slot right back into the tobacco industry with a very nice pay rise. |
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29th November 2023, 21:11 | #29 |
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Wait until someone figures out how much the rebranding of the public sector is going to cost.
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30th November 2023, 14:46 | #30 |
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Can someone remind me why public sector entities need to be brands? Like, why the fuck does Kainga Ora need a logo and a colour scheme and a typeface?
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30th November 2023, 15:36 | #31 |
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Part pissing contest, part illusion of getting something done? Or perhaps the mask while the gritty work gets done that those involved want the public's sticky nose kept out of?
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30th November 2023, 16:27 | #32 | |
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30th November 2023, 22:12 | #33 | |
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So far I'm getting a very "own the libs" vibe from this government.
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1st December 2023, 13:09 | #34 |
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I think Luxon went to too many Q&A's, attracted far too many people that take issue with the "Woke" state of today, and formed his view of what New Zealand wants based on that small segment of society that came to hear him that day.
"Maori words are too confusing, and my son can't write for shit, he's too busy being on his phone and being told he can be a girl!"
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1st December 2023, 13:33 | #35 |
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But they ARE confusing. If you're a non-Maori speaking Kiwi (that is - most people) or an immigrant or a tourist, having government services referred to by only their Maori names is fucking useless. Requiring the English names to always be present is good policy.
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1st December 2023, 14:00 | #36 |
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It took me some time growing up to recognise that for many, perhaps most, life wasn't this confusing, incoherent mess of contradictory messages, values, behaviours.
That for some the world made sense. Indeed they expected it to make sense, all the time. Anything that didn't make sense was a problem with someone to blame. I get privilege is nice, but I'm kinda not too upset being adapted to living in a word where I don't expect things to make sense. Where I've always got to be doing work piecing together what's going on. Change is something to look forward to, not fear.
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1st December 2023, 14:30 | #37 | |
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Parse this real actual press release issued in August this year by an NZ Government entity. Without looking them up, who are the organisations referenced? Are they credible? Do they have standing in this area? Should you care about the work they've done? Should you read the rest of the text?
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1st December 2023, 14:35 | #38 |
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I get it Ab. In your head you know about all these organisations so you don't have to look up anything to know what they're about.
There's a good chunk of us who have to look them up every time. Maybe cause we're dumb. Maybe cause we're overwhelmed. For whatever reason we're not going around retaining the form and function of various government bodies in our heads. If we're interested in something and we come across these organisations we'll be piping up "aw, what's the one again?"
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1st December 2023, 15:08 | #39 | |
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