Eruption at Whakaari/White Island
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...i-white-island
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27 unaccounted for apparently. Could be pretty grim :(
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1 Confirmed fatality and they aren't landing on the island at the moment
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This Twitter thread is incredible.
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As someone who considers himself a child of the BOP (Steamers represent), my first reaction was what the fuck were people doing on the island?
Whakaari was in pretty much constant eruption my whole childhood and in my head it's always been in the unsafe places box. I didn't even know there were now tourist visits. Well, were tourist visits. |
Police have just announced a criminal investigation.
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I think what you need to look at is
1 - what does level 2 actually mean. Does it mean there is a 50% chance it will erupt, or a 1%. 2 - Along with that, the last time I believe it erupted was a very long time ago. How many times has it been at level 2. I believe a lot. I think the wording criminal investigation is misleading. It makes it sound like there is actually something wrong. It should be more like an enquiry to ensure that good and correct practices were in place. |
I understand what they meant to say was that Police have been asked to investigate to support the Coronial enquiry due to it being classed by the Chief Coroner as a mass fatality incident.
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Should visiting the island be banned? There's obviously risk involved in going to an active volcano. If the company followed the rules then maybe make some extra regulations or something & let people make an informed decision whether they want to take the risk.
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I would assume that they did let people know about the risks, but is it like T&Cs and no one pays attention to them.
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Can the Government ban access to private property?
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I'm wondering how informed tourists actually were about the dangers. 18,000 tourist per yeah over a few decades(?) is a big built up of anecdotal evidence that understates the actual risk. If tours do continue I suppose anyone willing to go there fully knows the risks now.
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Can anyone me why everyone is calling it whakaari/white Island?
To me it seems like saying I'm going up Mt egmont/taranaki or we live in aotearoa/new Zealand. |
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One way to look at the phenomena is as a historical artefact of complex human living. You can see them everywhere if you look, however we're raised thinking everything is proper and ordered, rational and coherent, so that's what we're cued to recognise and acknowledge, things that don't fit having a sense of wrongness to them.
This view of the world as ordered is just one of the many abstractions from reality we indulge in, which are powerful tools while they work. Problems emerge when we confuse our abstractions with reality. From power struggles: people fighting to assert their abstraction, to simple stupidity: acting with the abstraction despite it obviously being a large step away from observed reality. We're still pretty hooked on ideas of the right way and the wrong way, but these are giving way as we mature. |
Thanks Nahaz
Drink! |
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People caught up in their lives. We've set things up this way. Our systems designed to inform and influence are committed to getting people to buy stuff or vote against their interests.
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Different of course to Mt Taranaki which was known as and renamed (officially from 2020) Mt Egmont |
Oh - I am reminded of the tax loophole that was opened and closed for gift duty when Aoraki/Mt Cook was granted to Ngai Tahu as part of the settlement, and they gave it back. GG _b
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^ Good point.
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I can't help thinking that these Whakaari White Island prosecutions are related to Worksafe's "Everyone gets home safely" driver. With everyone working from home for half a year, they have to justify their existence...
Then again, maybe they need test(ed) cases for the heroes to get off - if only they could claim compo for the stress. I don't think a petition is the right way to get a lasting result for "You are being prosecuted because you flew your helicopter into a dangerous area without thought for your safety and as a side effect saved 12(?) people..." |
My guess it's a situation where they can't pick and choose who to prosecute if the law is to be applied even and fairly.
It doesn't seem like the case where individual scientists were charged in Italy for not adequately predicting an earthquake. The law will be exposed as not fit for purpose if those responding to an emergency are convicted for their efforts. |
Yeah, I understand the emotion of it. But let's take a different view.
A person is driving up to an intersection, and sees someone run a red light and crashes into the car in front of them. Theres a huge fire. They risk their life pulling a baby out of the back seat. Wow a hero. Then you find out that in the previous 2 weeks, that hero racked up 25 red light offences and speeding offences Do you wave them all because they risked their lives? Those heroes could have been the ones on the island that day. Carrying tourists that were killed. Just because you did something great one day, doesn't neccessary give you a free pass for all the wrong you may have done in the past. Admittedly, I don't know the full extent of what "prosecutions" are. Are they actual court cases, are they investigations? What are they trying to establish |
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WorkSafe had just two weeks before signed off that the flights over and visits to the island were fine. |
Thank you for the clarification. That was a part I had not heard.
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Pardon me - two months not weeks, but still.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118...efore-eruption And like so many things it's a little more nuanced than my memories of it. Still - WorkSafe definitely knew about this, was involved in auditing operations on the island, and said bupkis. |
Whakaari/White Island: Confusion over safety responsibilities at senior level
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Whakaari doc is up on Netflix.
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Whakaari Management convicted of one health and safety charge relating to fatal eruption
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