Getting old is rough, isn't it? Even the sharpest insight dulls.

Jordan Peterson has written a book, and people are feeling unsafe

https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5bv...-peterson-book

Winner of 2019 Orwell Prize driven out of her job at the Guardian for thoughtcrime

https://unherd.com/2020/11/why-i-had...uardian/?=frlh

Had she not read The Guardian?

White feminist? That’s a paddlin

I don't have sympathy for that 'Transwomen are going to rape you in the toilets' bs

so what?

So good job if someone spouting that bs gets called out on it.

what the fuck are you going on about?

From your link about why Suzanne Moore left the guardian.
From that piece that the article is about:

That you think there's anything controversial - hell, anything that isn't just a plain statement of fact - there blows my mind.

It's in "a piece on trans issues". Transwomen violence isn't an issue for woman.

Https://link.springer.com/article/10...178-018-0335-z

Pretty sure it's up to women to decide if something is an issue for women.

Are you suggesting if certain women feel like they're at risk of violence, then they are, justifying steps taken to protect them from their feelings of being at risk?

I'm suggesting that it's up to women to decide if something is an issue for women.

Like at their AGM?

Well in theory I suppose, but I’m pretty sure women aren’t allowed to have meetings to discuss women’s issues any more.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Well if I heard a white dude say "racism isn't a problem for Maori people" similarly I'd probably reply something to the effect that it's up to Maori people to decide if something is an issue for Maori people, and the next step would probably be to see if any Maori people considered racism a problem.

If I heard a white dude say "racism isn't a problem for Maori people I’d check that he understood what racism is then point out some of the ample evidence of this. Here Maori can feel like racism is an issue AND this is demonstrably true.

In the women being raped in toilets scenario you are right, there are women who feel it’s an issue and so from their perspective I suppose it is an issue. It’s just that what's happening in the real world shows that this issue only exists in their head. Which is fine but that’s not a justification to exclude transwomen from using the women's toilets.

What if it were a Maori in a privileged position who was asserting Maori didn't face racism and the problems Maori faced were of Maori making?

Or a man leveraging their position of influence saying men were the real victims of society, that women's rights were hurting men and it was time for men's rights to take centre stage?

Because they're Maori, because they're male, because they're in a position to make their voice heard, they get to speak for you unchallenged?

To be clear, these issues are exceedingly complex. It's useful to have this discussion, these are all things we are working out in all levels of society. We don't have it right and probably never will. We just have to try and do our best.

On this we agree.

Formerly Ellen Page, actor Elliot Page announces transgender identity

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/12/el...ge-1234601639/

Holy shit there's a lot to unpack here and people are going to lose their minds

There's so much to unpack. The instant change of every pronoun when taking about that individual person is confusing enough for progressive little old me, let alone others, especially conservative media.

terf wars
 

As Ellen, Page was a vocal lesbian activist and advocate for women's rights. Since Page is now a trans man, and Trans Men Are Men, that means Page was never a lesbian and was in fact a man occupying a woman's space, drowning out women's voices, and basically mansplaining to women whenever he opened his mouth. A whole lot of women will be taking this as a tacit acknowledgement that the battle for women's rights is unwinnable, that women will always be losers, and that the only way to win the game is to swap to the winning team. Lesbian activists in particular will be losing their shit. And trans identity activists will be declaring jihad on the lesbians.

Yes, some old people are going to be grumpy. But old people always are as the world they thought they knew slips away from them.

On the other hand some will be experiencing the awakening of strange new feelings as they look at this person who they found interesting and attractive as a woman, a lesbian woman and now a man.

example

https://twitter.com/ClaireShrugged/s.../with_comments

Ray Davies remembers Candy Darling and yawns. ;)

So.. Page is a straight man now? That's the worst one to be!

He literally has a wife and everything.

Lot easier to join the patriarchy than to fight against it I guess?

I would love to see Disney give her a role of a male mutant when the Xmen final come onboard. That would really fuck with right leaning mind.

I haven't seen Umbrella Academy Season 2 yet, but it would be cool if in Season 3, they worked her character into being male.

I do wonder how long the relationship may last. If his wife was a true lesbian (rather than bi) and if he transitions, it will put a bit of pressure on her.

Why does the character have to change? Can't he *act* as whatever gender is required? Or is that like blackface?

Ceasar Romero acted as a character that is traditionally known for being clean shaven - who knew the Joker had a moustache?

They're not a computer game character that has just had a flag changed on their character profile...

ruh-roh raggy

You are trying to get yourself cancelled, right?

Yes akin to blackface (which is racist AF and should be stopped dead), but with a more active community of those easily triggered.

It's not a problem.

The problem is people thinking they have a stake in the gender and sexual identity of others. I just can't relate.

_b

I was trying to think of an example.