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I am not part of any group. I just disagree with some of the things you say, and tend not to believe everything at face value. I like my news like I like my science - not coming from the government and people who have a dog in the fight. But making my own mind up about how I see the world doesn't put me into some homogeneous group where we all just believe the same shit. To which group do you think I belong? The group of people who don't think the same as you? Or is there some other group of which I am a member without realizing it? Why focus on me when I just provided a link with research from Stanford University that shows that what I say is based on fact? Are you more interested in the message, or shooting the messenger? If you need help, you can call the DrTiTus - Mental Health Hotline. There is currently a 9 minute wait for your call to be answered, but do enjoy the hold music. |
Way to dodge the substance of my reply.
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Do you hold the US responsible for all its coups and regime changes that it exerts on "sovereign nations"? Do you think they are reprehensible for doing so? Do you accept they did just this in 2014 in Ukraine? At what point is Russia allowed to defend its own interests, which is what the US is doing when it goes all around the world doing this shit? If the US [government] is asshole, and the US is responsible for this situation - which I believe they are based on their interference in 2014 - why are you taking their side? They interfere in sovereign nations - they commit war crimes. So why are you cheering them on? This isn't even Ukraine fighting anymore. This is the US at war with Russia, on Ukrainian soil, using Ukrainian troops (and their own, but as independent contractors to avoid an official war). That's the part I think you're confusing. It's not a simple situation. You've boiled it down to "omg invasion", but Russia doesn't just go to war for shits and giggles. Explain why YOU think Putin has invaded, if you can. Why are you not promoting peace and negotiations instead of being all like "yeah, stick it to Putin! Kill the Russian civilians who had no say in this! Bring on nuclear war!" |
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And I said "like" because that's the attitude you're adopting by being strictly anti-Russian. I used speech marks to indicate a kind of popular narrative that I see repeated a lot - if I wanted to quote you, I'd use <quote>. |
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I never laid down any such support for any country. Again, please quote where this came from. Re-read what I posted. I condemned actions. Nowhere did I mention carte-blanche support for any country. Be it west or east. For someone who goes on and on about things being more than black and white, you sure seem to be seeing in monochrome. |
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Then they strut along here, fat with the bait they've gobbled up "You believe such dumb stuff! I'm so much better than you!". 🤷 |
Multiple reports this morning that sections of the Russian line in the Kherson area are collapsing.
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While there is certainly a proxy war going on here between Moscow and the west, the surface war of Russia invading Ukraine is much more important to many. You can certainly support the latter without supporting the former even though they are so closely tied together now. |
Are we all in agreement that the US blew up the pipeline?
Or is there still speculation that Putin did it himself, and is now working to repair it himself, just for something to do? |
It's all just speculation from what I can tell.
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This comes in two flavours. I'm Anti-War so when one nation invades another and tries to start one, we should be doing all we can to push them back. I'm Anti-War so let Russia and Ukraine do whatever they want and don't get involved. I'm personally firmly in the "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" camp. Now I'm not saying I'm volunteering to go over, but I certainly don't see Russia and Ukraine on equal footing. One invaded the other. There is clearly a "bad guy" here. |
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Putin could easily be playing both the EU and his own population by executing and denying this act. EU populations may lose the will to support their governments support of Ukraine over a long cold winter with exorbitant energy prices, while Russian civilians will lose income and Putin can blame their suffering on EU, galvanising some of the population that may be leaning towards the "is this worth it?" camp. England (or other EU countries) could benefit politically by blaming Putin and not having to justify harsh energy prices on a political decision, but rather on an infrastructural deficit caused by Russia. US would be the least to suffer from this action, however they also have the least reason to execute it in the first place as the sanctions are in place and are only getting stronger. It could be a long play, based on the assumption that some or all of europe MIGHT relinquish sanctions if energy/gas prices get too high. BUT that's a pretty big risk to take. If caught they risk alienating most of the EU and risk destabilising NATO who is stronger (cohesively) than they have been in a very long time. |
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The fact that Russia's first strike was a targeted heavy march on Kyiv however, seems to indicate to me that supporting the population of the DPR was at best, a secondary goal. **edit** I also find it interesting that Mariupol was one of the first targeted locations, alongside the fact that Russian mines have been producing consistently (and in some cases drastically) lower yields over the past two decades. |
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Nothing underscores the core of the error in critical thought than this sentence. Of course, the real answer is `lol of course not`. None of us have the real answer to this, there is no evidence either way. All there is is assumption. What this sentence is doing is seeking tribal support and confirmation of assumption and opinion so that it can be elevated to 'fact' and incorporated into the greater 'picture' |
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There's a financial motive, there is evidence of them being at the scene of the crime, and wherever there is money and energy involved, US is in there "spreading democracy" with weapons of war. But OK, let's give these assholes another chance, maybe THIS time their lies and deceit is for a good cause and they're not just acting in their own financial self-interest. When has America ever used foreigners' lives as pawns in their imperialism? It's SO out of character. If you guys wanna wait for the official report, you might find out it was done by a bat from the Wuhan wet market and you can all nod sagely and say "ah yes, that makes perfect sense" |
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With the US being reluctant to escalate beyond supplying equipment and funding, a direct attack (outside of sanctions) seems like a step too far situation. "Seeing the obvious," does not automatically mean "The US did it." |
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That's almost a Bush-ism. Surely ostrich would have worked better. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw49iL6zGyQ Just waiting for some good men to do something about US / Zionist regime-change wars... |
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Senator Joe Biden, in 1999, "Suggested bombing of Belgrade and destroying all bridges on the Drina"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtwkfqLboX0 Biden dangling NATO membership carrot infront of Albania / Kosovo. History rhymes. Almost a quarter century later, and they still want to join, and have yet to join. lol. If Ukraine survives 2023, maybe in 2050 they'll get to join... ehhhh I dunno we'll think about it and get back to you. You're on the road to membership though, keep it up! |
These Russian torture chambers that are being found are so fucking chilling:
https://nakipelo.ua/v-odnij-z-kative...ymy-protezamy/ Of course it could be all fake and staged. Not sure where you'd come up with the teeth, perhaps a local dentist? |
Michael Hudson on The Euro Without Germany
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Poland formally demands $1.3 trillion in reparations from Germany for WWII damages https://rmx.news/poland/poland-forma...-wwii-damages/ Quote:
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Jesus, that is interesting timing all right.
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Given Poland and Israel have some very understandable historic reasons to want to see Germany brought low; and
given Germany very swiftly and conveniently forgot they were all Nazis when USA razed, then made them a vassal. Which silent guilt drove the youth of Germany crazy in the late 60's . see The Living Dead, E1: On the Desperate Edge of Now https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4xoM6-1SWl4 Given both countries have have the means, and some of the most sophisticated Palestinian-tested... unh i mean battle-tested weaponry money can buy. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...cupied-hebron/ Given both countries also have just unveiled their own gas pipelines into Europe Given both countries also hate Russia leaves me to conclude the Zionists blew up nordstream I & II, and probably blackmailed some in US to provide navy assist (helicopters, ships in area) And now, to ensure they don't get back up, Poland layers on more economy pressure with the victim card reparations. |
Also, Poland released this video after the attack. https://9gag.com/gag/aPgyyGw (animation of aerial drones on the bottom of the ocean blowing up the pipeline)
Better to be seen as an incompetant victim, than a capable aggressor. Buh, aerial drones work underwater, I'm so dumb! Israel is good at this game too and you can bet any accusation levelled at Zionist machinations will be met with calls of "anti-semite!" |
A snapshot, 2014:
Foreign Affairs' Gideon Rose discusses the origins and implications of the Ukraine rebellion. (USA vpn required) https://www.cc.com/video/8067fc/the-...ne-gideon-rose "We need to steal Russia's girlfriend." (and remember when Colbert was funny!?) Breaking: Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and Catherine Ashton discuss Ukraine over the phone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8 "They were the same snipers, killing people from both sides... new coalition does not want to investigate." Nuland-Pyatt leaked phone conversation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k "Yatz is the guy... fuck the EU." Ukrainian General: "Ukraine is under Zionist occupation." / Генерал: "Украину оккупировали Сионисты" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu8JolUBNfg "Initially it looked like 2 clans fighting...and now it's simply a direct Occupation of Ukraine by the US." Oliver Stone's Revealing Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhu3lfgHhCI “Revealing Ukraine” by Igor Lopatonok continues investigations on of the ongoing Ukrainian crisis following “Ukraine on Fire”. In addition, it analyzes the current political backstage and its dangerous potential for the world. |
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Shouldn't they have put the words in Russian, or is this made for English speakers to get support from us instead of sending a message to Russians?
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The audience is Western social media users.
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Cool, I reported it for threatening a particular group with violence, which is against Twitter rules lol.
I obviously don't care, I just want to see if/how they respond. |
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Civil Society 2.0 https://www.flickr.com/photos/usemba...7632893215416/ The narrative is so absurd that even Reuters fact-check had to pump the brakes: Fact Check-Video of queues at Russia-Finland border was taken more than three weeks before Vladimir Putin’s partial mobilisation announcement https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N30U1HK |
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