The Green Party
 

With Labour struggling to re-establish itself while Aunty Helen runs with the UN, it seems like the time is right for the Greens to step up.

The Internet Party left plenty of good stuff they can pick up on without the burden of DC. And I think what they said today about National taking aim at some sweeter targets like environmental restrictions was right; easy pickings for Green. We might start seeing some early fallout from National social policy too that's a bit harder to ignore.

So lets hope they get on to it leading up to 2017.

Its interesting. While Labour is in disarray and working out where to go, it would be a great time for the Greens to become visible and get there name out there as a viable party and just keep working hard. The issue though would be in 3 years, people may just forget about that and would just go to Labour.

As mentioned in the other thread, I think Greens a viable for the 2nd major party, and I think that there is going to be a bigger trend over the next 5-10 years that will see the world heading more towards their key policies (environment & people).

And Im sure that for every "looney" policy that someone things they have announced, there will be a "looney" policy that national has announced or implemented.

Labour may not even have its shit together in 3 years. If the Greens are smart (which they're not) then they'll make hay while the sun shines.

Apparently those loony National policies are ones that the majority of voters are happy to live with.

Certainly National hasn't proposed anything as asinine as shower heads that restrict water flow or lightbulbs that restrict energy use.

Pretty much.

It will be a mix of people heading towards the Greens; and the Nats and Labour becoming more Green as people demand it.

So, how do you guys explain the greens losing support this election?

Agree with FT's last point too.

Complex reasons no doubt. It was a minor drop, but one really where gains were expected or at least hoped for.

I suppose I can stick with my bias and suggest that it's hard to get across a message of power for people, when those who prefer power over people are in power.

imo greens are never gonna be a "big" player. they are always going to be a sidebar, and theres nothing wrong with that. that is their role.

really the left are fucking this whole thing up for themselves. they need the greens to be what the young, hip, and with it people vote for- environment, gay/transgender/pan quaffle rights, reforming drug policies, all that shit.

labour needs to be the big balls of the group. they need a big fat loud bastard whos sole focus and drive are the rights of the working class. someone who worked in a meatpackers for 20 years and is a union buddy buddy. they need someone who is gonna stomp holes on motherfuckers, and motivate the masses to vote to save their jerbs. now you have the greens for all the save the world youth hipsters, and labour for all the blue collar workers who dont give a fuck about gay rights and want to add a shed to their backyard but cant because of people taking their jerbs and shit. right now they have some dude who always wears a scarf who went to harvard and apologises for being a man. that shit is not going to fly, and he needs to go.

were they to do this, and have a good campaign machine behind it, they could win. right now, to most people, national are better in every way.

When the messages from the left are basically voiced like this, I really don't know why National are doing so well.

What do you mean? What does the right do differently? (I usually expect a facepalm when I ask this question, but I have to try.)

Ok I'll explain. When you try to make your points like I have quoted, what most people actually hear is:

Ah, so you're dismissive of what we have to say, but don't feel like you need to offer any rationale for that. Gotcha.

Sorry I couldn't resist.

I understand the point you're making with the two things I quoted, I really do. Income inequality etc, it sucks. Those two quotes though, they're so preachy and annoying, guess who else was preachy and annoying? I'll give you a tip: He's about to not be the leader of the Labour Party.

Aside from working on where on the spectrum they sit, Labour really really need to figure out what NZ wants from them, and how NZ wants to hear from them.

What's the subject of this thread? I mean, you can post what you like, I just don't get where you're coming from.

The Greens are the party you tell people you're voting for "this year" but... don't.

Haha, that could be it.

sounds like a fair call..but there is a potential labour leader who fits that particular bill,and i can hear the anti-socialist squawking from our most visible 'journalists' now if he was even considered as a leader-and im sorry,but the sheeple of godzone dont have the knowledge of recent history to realize that he is on their side.
'times have changed' i was told by a gay maori that i know who voted national-'no thanks to your chosen representatives' i said to that dumb fuck.
people get the representation they deserve....said the pissed off lefty.

Russell Norman regarding the Internana, today:

http://www.waateanews.com/waateanews...d=ODAwNg%3D%3D

The Heralds Editorial today:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...ectid=11335852

https://twitter.com/publicaddress/st...97780001243136

::facepalm::

HEY THEY'RE A BROAD CHURCH

Not quite that broad it seems:
Greens' Ebola MP Steffan Browning stripped of portfolio

Had to be done.

WAT.

They have a Natural Health Products portfolio?

Actually sounds like he was well suited to it.
If they worked they wouldn't be "alternate".

Ha, borrowing from Ab's rant on Facebook. (This is not a bad thing)

::facepalm::

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald...imate-protests

If she had her way, she wouldn't have a plastic bag to be able to do that with.

Wussell is goooone

Buh-bye!

I wonder if he ever did get his flag back.

Door, Arse, Way out, etc.

Probably still won't shut up about quantative easing though.

BIOTECH IS GODZILLAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

Green MP Steffan "fight ebola with homoeopathy" Browning invites you all to this reception at Parliament:



Our tax dollars at work.

Will there be light refreshments?

I'm sure they'll be paleo non-GM homoeopathic refreshments. Also, magnets.

But will they be gluten-free??

I want Steffan Browning to be the new co-leader.

Fools, listening to scientists. Don't they know academics are just like lawyers?

Except that Gilles Eric Séralini is a shitarse scientist.

Food Standards Australia New Zealand rejects findings of Seralini paper
"On the basis of the many scientific deficiencies identified in the study, FSANZ does not accept the conclusions made by the authors and has therefore found no justification to reconsider the safety of NK603 corn, originally approved in 2002.
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The European Food Safety Authority, the German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment and Health Canada have now completed their reviews of the Séralini paper and rejected its conclusions."

Séralini Threatens Lawsuit In Wake Of Retraction Of Infamous GMO Cancer Rat Study

Journal withdraws controversial French Monsanto GM study

Journal set to retract Seralini GM rat cancer study

Séralini affair

Smelling a rat

"Within weeks of its appearance in the peer-reviewed journal, more than 700 scientists had signed an online petition calling on Seralini to release all the data from his research."

Scientific veracity? How quaint. Academics are like lawyers, you find the one that supports the point of view you want to promote. Right?

Did you just do a 180?