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Lightspeed 5th July 2022 19:25

PC build for Unreal/Blender
 
Budget is $6k-ish, requirements are Unreal/Blender/gaming, with two screens.

Code:


CPU                AMD Ryzen 9 5950X CPU 16 Core
Mobo                MSI MAG X570S TOMAHAWK MAX
RAM                Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL White 32GB
HDD                Samsung 980 Pro 1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD
HDD                Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 2TB PCIe NVMe 3.0
GPU                MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Ti GAMING X TRIO Graphics Card 12GB
PSU                Corsair Rmx Series RM850X V2 850W
Case                Phanteks Eclipse P500 Air White RGB Edition ATX MidTower
Cooling                Phanteks Glacier One 240T30 DRGB 240mm, All In One Liquid Cooler
VDU                LG UltraGear 27GP850-B 27" QHD 165Hz
VDU                Titan Army N27QW 27" QHD 144Hz Curved Gaming Monitor
Keyboard        Logitech G512 CARBON LIGHTSYNC RGB
Mouse                Razer DeathAdder v2 RGB

$6,365.00

Pricing and links: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...7iM/edit#gid=0

Went cheaper on the second screen to upgrade the GPU. Going to do a walk around PB Tech Manukau to look at cases and screens, peripherals. But this is the general ballpark.

Caesar 5th July 2022 22:25

Don't want to wait for 4 months for new Video cards or a bit longer for the next CPUs??
DDR5 ram??

Nice kit tho for sure..

wazza 6th July 2022 08:32

don't you already have a 2080 super that you bought a year ago or something?

wait for the next gen 4080

but go for the rest.

edit: without checking ensure you go IPS for monitor

_indigo1 6th July 2022 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazza (Post 2021934)
edit: without checking ensure you go IPS for monitor

Why.
At a desktop PC viewing angle generally isn't an issue.
Sure on paper IPS can have slightly better colour reproduction and brightness, but in practise the horrible backlighting of IPS can ruin that and cause horrible black consistency and backlight bleed in the dark.
VA on the other hand can be (on paper) slightly more dull - but generally more consistent and pleasing as long as you have a fixed viewpoint.

Moral of the story is - research your specific models and look at the rtings-esque stats for it - because both IPS and VA can have horrible drawbacks if you get a bad model. There is no general rule that one is better than the other. It's model specific and personal preference/use case specific.

Lightspeed 6th July 2022 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caesar (Post 2021930)
Don't want to wait for 4 months for new Video cards or a bit longer for the next CPUs??
DDR5 ram??

Nice kit tho for sure..

I spec'd out a couple of systems with DDR4, but it's out of budget.

There's always some new tech around the corner you can wait for, and you know how it is when people pull the trigger on a purchase like this, they want it built yesterday.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazza (Post 2021934)
don't you already have a 2080 super that you bought a year ago or something?

It's not for me. But yes, and it is running very well. Need to upgrade cooling on the CPU tho, might be tempted by something while at the PBTech showroom today.

Know me. 6th July 2022 17:15

Nice system.

Lightspeed 6th July 2022 17:23

So this is what we've ended up with:


Code:


CPU                AMD Ryzen 9 5950X CPU 16 Core
Mobo                ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E
RAM                Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL Black 32GB
HDD                Samsung 980 Pro 1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD
HDD                Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 2TB PCIe NVMe 3.0
GPU                EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12GB
PSU                Corsair Rmx Series RM1000X 1000W
Case                Phanteks Eclipse P500 Air Black RGB Edition ATX MidTower
Cooling                Phanteks Glacier One 360MM
VDU                LG UltraGear 27GP850-B 27" QHD 165Hz
VDU                LG UltraGear 27GP850-B 27" QHD 165Hz
Keyboard        Logitech G512 CARBON LIGHTSYNC RGB
Mouse                Supplied

$6803

Not even $1k over budget! It will be about a week or so before we can actually pick up the parts to build it.

Caesar 6th July 2022 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazza (Post 2021934)
edit: without checking ensure you go IPS for monitor

/thread hijack

I recently brought an LG C2 42" OLED TV as my main monitor and it is BEST fucken thing I've brought in a long time.
A PPI roughly the same as a 27" at 1440P for a nice crisp picture, full gaming specific options for consoles (or PC) 120hz and then you add true HDR.
Fucken mint.
All games just look awesome on it.

wazza 7th July 2022 07:51

that's an insane rig, gg

wazza 7th July 2022 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by _indigo1 (Post 2021938)
Why.
At a desktop PC viewing angle generally isn't an issue.
Sure on paper IPS can have slightly better colour reproduction and brightness, but in practise the horrible backlighting of IPS can ruin that and cause horrible black consistency and backlight bleed in the dark.
VA on the other hand can be (on paper) slightly more dull - but generally more consistent and pleasing as long as you have a fixed viewpoint.

Moral of the story is - research your specific models and look at the rtings-esque stats for it - because both IPS and VA can have horrible drawbacks if you get a bad model. There is no general rule that one is better than the other. It's model specific and personal preference/use case specific.

fair comment, i did wonder if someone would slap me with the VA panel argument :D

_indigo1 7th July 2022 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazza (Post 2021961)
fair comment, i did wonder if someone would slap me with the VA panel argument :D

I wasn't so much arguing than showing interest in your reasoning.
Just personal pref?

_indigo1 7th July 2022 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed (Post 2021949)
LG UltraGear 27GP850-B 27" QHD 165Hz

Hey as I hinted, those monitors have crap contrast ratio and black uniformity.

Make sure you check them in the dark once you get them to see if the backlight bleed is tolerable - if not you can return for a replacement.

Also note with the lower vertical viewing angle score, the backlight bleed severity will be sensitive to how high the monitor is compared to your head.
The monitor does not have a vertical angle adjust to compensate.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gp850-b

Lightspeed 7th July 2022 12:58

What are the colours like on those panels? I have the former model, the colour and contrast is fantastic.

Thanks for the advice, we'll definitely check it out.

Is there anything in particular you like?

_indigo1 7th July 2022 15:16

According to those rtings tests the colour reproduction is quite decent for that price range.

I tend to watch media/game in the dark so the contrast and black levels are a bugbear for me.
It seems like most other panels in that same tier suffer similar issues - although that particular one is low even compared to them.
The only other VA panel I could find in the same range (MSI I think) also had the issue, which is unusual for a VA. I did not look very hard though.

Note; click on the black uniformity image for full screen view so you can see what I'm talking about.
It's particularly visible when you get non-widescreen content on a widescreen, because the left/right pad black bars are not uniform black and it's quite noticeable.
https://i.rtings.com/assets/products...mity-large.jpg

One other UTTERLY BONEHEADED thing that LG ultrawide monitors do (at least mine) is that if you set actual res to a non-ultrawide one - say you want to play a 1080p game at 1080p actual res, then the monitor will understandably pad the left and right with bars to make it fit.
The RETARDED thing is that it pads them with a rather bright GREY - NOT black!
This is unfixable - the only workaround is to use software scaling and keep res at monitors max res.

_indigo1 7th July 2022 15:33

The MSI's seem to have better black levels (for an IPS)
However you take a hit on colour accuracy.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...x-mag274qrf-qd
https://i.rtings.com/assets/products...mity-large.jpg

Samsung Odyssey has great black levels. But pricey. (VA panel)
Also great colours.
(note this is the 32" as there was no review for the 27")
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...ey-g7-lc32g75t

Without local dimming turned off - basically perfect
https://i.rtings.com/assets/products...mity-large.jpg

With local dimming turned on
https://i.rtings.com/assets/products...ming-large.jpg

Put those side by side with the black image for the monitors you had and you'll see the difference.

_indigo1 7th July 2022 15:38

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools...threshold=0.10

Cyberbob 7th July 2022 16:06

Obviously an excellent rig, but I don't think I would have gone NVMe for the higher capacity data drive. Sata SSD is extremely fast at a great price point these days.

Lightspeed 8th July 2022 16:28

Yeah, maybe you're right on that. The Intel drive was still a good price tho.

Lightspeed 8th July 2022 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by _indigo1 (Post 2021981)
One other UTTERLY BONEHEADED thing that LG ultrawide monitors do (at least mine) is that if you set actual res to a non-ultrawide one - say you want to play a 1080p game at 1080p actual res, then the monitor will understandably pad the left and right with bars to make it fit.
The RETARDED thing is that it pads them with a rather bright GREY - NOT black!
This is unfixable - the only workaround is to use software scaling and keep res at monitors max res.

That's awful.

When doing a backbleed test on my screen, there are obvious places where it exists, during the test. But trying to perceive that during normal use is impossible, I have to get out of my chair to start to see where viewing angle limits are.

These are mostly going to be used from their sweet spot, I'm basically maxing out colour for the price.

4K with per-pixel dimming is the dream upgrade. We looked at 4k, but it blew the budget entirely.

Cyberbob 8th July 2022 18:10

On the topic of software scaling for ultrawide, Flawless Widescreen works exceptionally well with my 34". I'm amazed at how well it works.

_indigo1 8th July 2022 18:11

Yeah.
It's most obvious when watching 16:9 content or other lower width content on an ultrawide in dim lighting, where it shows up in the black padding (even with perfect viewing angle).
You learn to ignore it but it's still an annoyance.

Also dark games etc, like Alien Isolation type games.

That Samsung Odyssey is only $200 more than the one you have listed.


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