Prime Minister Peters
 

Ardern:

Oh Christ

Your mistake was posting this in OD ;)

Ohhh I would be feeling REALLY secure if I was the Greens right now.

NOT!!!!!!!!!

That new co-leader is on a hiding to nothing - each reporter probing as much as they can to trip her up Turiana style.

Perhaps he means Metiria Turei?

All those bloody Maori women are the same. easy mistake to make.

I see PM Peters now has the numbers for his awful “waka jumping” bill thanks to some gutless hypocrisy from the Greens.

What's the extent of the bill?

I get that in the past political movement in NZ has been spurred by members splitting from thier party (with the changes ultimately being absorbed by the larger parties and the smaller vanishing.) It sounds like this bill undermines that.

I also understand that with MMP we're voting for a party and its hierarchy, which raises the question of whether members splitting from a party should retain their position. Unless they specifically won their seat.

But there are layers to all this that are beyond me.

Also to boot someone a party needs two-thirds caucus support.

I haven't read up that much but going by news articles I don't see a problem.

I haven't understood the issue and feel the same.

For list. When I vote for a party, I am not specifically voting for number 22 or 34 or 41.
I wouldnt have a fucking clue who they are.

If they leave the party for whatever reason, then they should be gone.

For the Electoral Seat, I am not sure how I feel if they should be kicked and require a By election, or whether they should be allowed to stay.
As people voted for that person (although they probably mostly won because of what party they belong to.

Ab can you please learn us on this waka jumping bill and why its bad

The Greens speak to the problem with the bill somewhat.

Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson on Waka Jumping Bill: We have to compromise

If National hadn't been so brutal for the people the Greens are most concerned about, maybe they'd have a choice. I suppose you might argue if they were more canny politicians they would have found a way to oppose the bill. But circumstances are what they are.

Still, it would be good to hear more on the bill from the fullas here smart enough to have lectured at uni.

I don't see anything in that article describing what you've just said. Maybe you can explain?

Those who aren't certain why a ban on waka jumping is bad (and anti-democratic) should think not just about the formation of the Green Party but also the Maori Party. Turiana Turia left Labour over differences over the Seabed and Foreshore Bill. Because a waka jumping ban was in place at the time, she had to quit parliament and a by-election was held (at cost to the taxpayer) to vote on her now empty Maori electorate seat. She was voted back in and from this, the Maori Party was born. But consider what would have happened if she hadn't been voted back in. No Maori Party, and a parliament less representative of voters (the point of MMP is to be more representative of voters). No party representing the voice of Maori people (Labour does a shit job of representing Maori).

Turia took the risk of not being returned to Parliament because she believed strongly enough in her position that she left the Labour Party. Not every politician would have the courage of conviction to do such a thing and therefore would not be willing to disagree with their party leaders, lest they lose their job.

Why is this anti-democratic? Because an electorate MP is voted in not just because of the party they belong to, but also because they are representing the community in that electorate. If the party leaders take a position on something that works against that community, then the MP can do little to oppose it. That's bad for that electorate.

For power, yes. But power for New Zealanders rather than over them. National were screwing over the vulnerable of NZ. Hard. It seems in either case the Greens had a rat to eat. Either National's or NZF's. And the voters of NZ put them in that position.

I'm glad they made the choice they did. There's no way National would have won a fifth term and they would have known it. They would have gone for broke and we'd have been screwed.

I still don't see why someone leaving a party they got voted in on shouldn't have to establish a mandate through a by-election. This seems more democratic.

Also unless it's a conscience vote isn't it the situation already that they can do little to oppose the party line?

"Give us the waka jumping bill and we'll give you legal weed."

More likely the leave for domestic violence bill that just passed.

Oh shit I find myself agreeing with Mike Hosking

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/m...-jumping-bill/

Credit where it’s due: Peters did a good job as PM. I thought he’d be a disaster.

Me too, I was quite surprised but (for the most part) I thought he did okay.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/01...-as-acting-pm/

What were people expecting to happen? He got made PM in a parliamentary system, not God Sun Emperor of the Land.