This is what "one person's misinformation is another person's fact" looks like in action:

National crisis centre set up to combat measles

Wtaf.

I read a report in print saying it was advising children to neither enter or leave Auckland to contain the outbreak.

To be fair the article contradicts me:

Perhaps it's simply not politic to say "anyone who doesn't vaccinate their kids should be arrested and their kids should be taken into the care of the state"

Note: I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOUR OF NANNY STATE IN THIS INSTANCE

I guess it if you look to see where the measles outbreak is (South Auckland), then it's more likely to be due to other pressures/reasons that they are not vaccinated rather than some fucked up housewife you believes everything she reads.

But while my wife was vacinated when she was younger, thank fuck she stopped working at Manurewa High this year.

The problem is the state is allowed to endlessly put people in circumstances that overwhelm, and then hold those people to account for being overwhelmed.

I understand there are those who believe all humans are infinitely capable and all actions can be reduced to choice. Those people are cunts, just saying.

Anti vaxxers associated with Midwives, huh.

Whiplash breaking his silence with a petty dig at midwives, cause he met one he didn't like once.

This isn't a bad high-level summary:

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/201...s-immunisation

Just to be clear, how certain are we of the justification for those unvaccinated?

I'll admit, I wanted to get on the anti-vaxxer bandwagon. But are we sure it isn't the desperate people bandwagon we need to be on?

Could it be there's a third factor that results in both anti-vaxxers and desperate people? Like 10 years of the National government for instance?

Or is it preferable to have a reason that we can pin on individuals for not being smart like us, rather than circumstances that are desperate?

Edit: I'll read your link, see if I can summarise.

So it seems like there's an existing vulnerability amongst poor people, so as they find things more difficult, they immunise less.

However in these circumstances, there is a factor additional to this existing vulnerability, as we can see that changes in immunisation rates that don't correlate with poverty.

I'm struggling to make meaning of the results in the graph titled: "Immunisation rates have fallen across age groups since 2016". Especially the difference between 12, 18, and 24 month immunisations. Or why are immunisation rates for 5 year olds improving so dramatically these last years?

Who knows? Some incoming government abolished all health targets and tracking against them.

Do I need to find a reputable source myself? I don't care for what the NZH's owners deem we should be told.

^ lol

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/healt...no-pay-concept

Nevermind this no jab no pay, just make it compulsory.

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What does your misinformation^H^H^H do your facts tell you?

You're the one making sweeping assumptions without backing up a single thing, m8.

Pro tip: google for health+targets site:.nz in 2018

Really? Really? You need me to back up my claim that the NZH is, as far as journalism and a source of information is concerned, trash? That's something you've not come across and now suddenly need me to demonstrate to you?

What the fuck? What are you trying to deflect from? Or you think I'm trying to protect Labour? Because I'm an avid Labour supporter, I've never got a word of criticism for the party?

I know, I know, you've had your say, now tumbleweeds until the next time you want to make a dig then run away.

Yeah? Why don't you do that before posting trash? It's worse than trash, it's burning trash that's poisoning us.

what the

Citation needed

:p

Do you mean in addition to what I've posted previously? What are you after?

maybe

a little

effort

?

The effort I am making here is to point out the NZH is trash and its motivation for the perspective it presents is NOT quality journalism.

As you point out, there are plenty of BETTER sources available. Why spread trash?

Not hard, right?

I just don't get it. On hand we're all bashing on consumers of misinformation, yet here we are sharing one of the worst sources of misinformation.

Worst in the sense it's essentially ostensibly a trusted news source.

And now I get to point out Bridges' hypocrisy.

So how did immunisation rates go during National's time on the Treasury benches?



data: MoH

Labour dropping that KPI upon taking office in 2018 seems to have worked well for the country.

Glad we have no expert analysis on the data. Thinking their facts are better than anything I can cook up after my second wine in the evening.

Once again, citation needed.

Lucky for the Ministry of Health this won’t affect how they’re tracking against the targets they don’t have any more

What can I say except, oh lol.

I wonder what we'll hear from Ab and pxpx.

Yes, I remember when that bit of marketing was announced after the outcry about the dropping of targets altogether. Two years ago.

No "new measures" since then. Two years. Nothing.


Summary: since Labour scrapped health targets, the DHBs have to report against the old National Govt targets, but -- get this -- the Ministry doesn't measure the DHBs' performance against those targets. The DHBs just have to report their numbers. The Minister of Health doesn't read them, and the DHBs don't face any sanctions if their numbers don't come anywhere near the old National Govt targets.

I like that bit about "we won't break down our numbers into reports that the public can read and we won't publish those reports that we're not making anywhere". #mosttransparentgovermentever

Reality: Labour has abolished health targets, and the country is worse-off because of it.

Ooh, it's marketing. Gotcha mate.

Who got you so horny for National's health target? What glorious outcomes did National produce that makes you think what they had in mind must have surely been for the best of New Zealand?

I thought that they ditched the old ones last year?

That's the thing, Nationals ideological under-funding of DHBs and other health services was extremely damaging and this won't reversed in a hurry. They're in opposition & now everything Labour does isn't enough, even though it's more than their tinkering around the edges for 9 years!

Aha fuck you all I’m drinking now #greenvoter