Labour announce 3 years free tertiary education
 

Whoa shit
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11582567

That's cool.

Let's see if it helps these numbers..

It seems like a nice idea and one I'm not an entirely opposed to. But they'd be better off targeting the skills that NZ is most urgently in need of. If someone wants to get a degree in philosophy, they can pay for it.

True, but how to we decide what degrees are useful and what aren't?

More people need degrees in Philosophy TBH. Less Marketing cunts.

It's pretty fucking easy. STEM disciplines are usually a pretty good bet.

Fewer marketing cunts, sure. The country could probably also do with fewer people with philosophy degrees, arts degrees, women's studies degrees etc.

I think it gets a bit murky here because a lot of degrees don’t necessarily have a specific ‘job’ at the end of them – but nonetheless lead to a job in a somewhat broad area. For example it’s not uncommon for Philosophy majors (or other less career specific subjects in Arts, commerce Science etc) to do a graduate diploma in Teaching and presto you make the list (along with a shit load of marketing roles lol).

Also I wonder whether generally becoming more educated is beneficial for an individual and has a positive flow on to society as a whole?

Yeah STEM is in demand, but at the same point the most recent rounds of science funding for research highlighted a low number of social science applications which are also in now going to be in demand.

Art degree's can cover quite a wide range of material - and I've known quite a few people with Fine Art's backgrounds who have gone onto digital design in games/film/tv.

The thing is that often there's numerous ways to build a skill set which is going to be useful to employers - and saying one particular degree isn't "work ready" or "value for money" isn't the way to approach it.

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As much as I like games/film/tv, they are hardly an immediate need. A govt could spend less money by not providing free funding for courses which are 'nice' but instead fund the most useful degrees.

What a beautifully demonstrative display of ignorance!

Not really.

Well, of course you wouldn't agree. No surprises there. How could you, when you're so obviously so ignorant?

Attributing education of any kind to a future career is ultimately pointless. People can work that out by themselves.

To cut a long story short, If we could generally agree that tertiary education makes for a better society then I'm more than happy to pay taxes for the rest of my life that enables free-loading BA students to get their fill. Ecstatic would be the word.

Thanks for taking this to ad hominem level.

I like this - for example targeting jobs that are on the in demand list currently allowing overseas worker easy entry but this list is very dynamic and short of googling, the effects of targeted employment unknown.

If only you had studied English, then perhaps, you might know what ad hominem meant.

If I'd studied English, I'd be a Barista.

So calling people ignorant doesn't constitute ad hominem? Okay, sweet. I'll remember that one.

How many years of study did it take for you to become an expert on public policy and education?

If NZ all of a sudden has 1.2 billion to spend on education I'd prefer it went to early childhood.

todlers can't vote

Since when did I need to study for many years to become an expert on public policy and education? Is that a prerequisite to have a political opinion?

That's a cute picture but lefties forget that it was their own Anointed One, The Helen, who bought votes with interest free loans in 2005. That's a great deal for students. An interest free loan, you only pay it back once you earn a certain amount and you only pay it down as you earn money.

I'll say it again: That's a great deal for students.

It's not the crippling debt that cartoonists make it out to be. The amusing thing about that cartoon though is that it's from 2006 so Helen had already solved the problem by then. Although it's an American cartoon and Helen's influence only went so far back then...

Perhaps the comic was more about the attitude of baby boomers who have forgotten the free ride they got?

You're certainly an expert of making an ass of yourself.

"Fuck you, your a stupid cunt, that's why you're opinion don't count!"

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"Awwww, why ad homo nim me bro!"

Show where in this thread I called anyone a cunt. So far, you're the fourth person to attack me instead of the argument. Probably because you realise my facts are unassailable and it's got you in a lather.

Perhaps the baby boomers aren't particularly relevant to this conversation?

I appreciate that you experience each event as isolated, that one thing does not impact another. However I at least experience things as connected, and I experience you as a cunt who is more than happy to derail a discussion that doesn't suit you with vitriolic ad hominem.
Are we talking politics in a context of an ageing population? Then boomers are relevant.

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=11583002 - Edwards gives a good over-view of all the different reactions to the policy.

Or maybe you would be a literacy professor developing new methods to teach English to ESOL students. I did call you ignorant but that was after you accused me of a reaction against you and not your position. I did not attack you dude and was merely stating my opinion like all the other windbags. I do understand your position and I don't fault you for it. I just have different views.

That's attacking me instead of the argument, no matter how you try to frame it.

You're always the first person to attack me if I call people dumb cunts, but here you and your buddies are attacking me even when I'm behaving nicely. You don't understand the issue with that?

No. We quite obviously are not.

If I said that I think this is a mostly good idea, can I be called a cunt too? Because I think this is a mostly good idea.

I was absolutely posting the cartoon in the context that the baby boomers all got 100% free tertiary education.

One has to take the aging population into account, because it's the population we have now. They got free education, so shouldn't be complaining when a policy is suggested to give current generations the same thing. Especially taking into account the other benefits they have received (best part of house price increase etc).
I think it was around 1990 that students started paying fees for uni.

My ad hominem "attack" occurred after you accused me of an ad hominem attack. :) That's not framing, it's History, another subject worth studying ;)

I know it's hard to convey these things with the written word, but I was going for gently ironic rather than attack, so just cool your jets fly boy.

Cunt. I just love that word.

lolz, that's great. You're like a kid on the playground who because in one particularly instance they're not acting like a bully, they expect to get to join in on the fun and games.

You don't seem to have any problem with your bullshit. Why is anyone else's bullshit a problem? Oh, right, cause it's YOU that's at the wrong end of it in this case.

Hahah, you're so pathetic CCS, all I can do is laugh.

So to put it all in to context, vote for Labour in 2017, 2020 and 2023, then we will introduce '3 years free tertiary education' in 2024.

Anyone else get reminded of the previous tax cuts promise (aka chewing gum tax cut - refer - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10368511) that they eventually said 'yeah nah'...

Nah, that's reserved for those that rave on about Auntie Helen & lefties and post links to whale oil :-P

I don't think CCS was even replying to you. It looked to me like he was responding to Nothing but your comment scooted in between.